Re: [Freesurfer] Does FS guarantee the same results if run several times?

2020-04-17 Thread Tim Schäfer
External Email - Use Caution Hi Xiaojiang, Given the precision of MRI scanners, I would say it's safe to assume that this difference can be ignored. Best, Tim > On April 17, 2020 at 9:02 PM Xiaojiang Yang wrote: > > > External Email - Use Caution > > Thank

Re: [Freesurfer] Does FS guarantee the same results if run several times?

2020-04-17 Thread Xiaojiang Yang
External Email - Use Caution Thank you Douglas! In my case, two runnings were from Centos7 and Redhat7 respectively. Good thing is that the difference of the average thickness is small - it's 0.006 mm. Both lh and rh have 0.006 mm differences, but one's lh is thicker than the

Re: [Freesurfer] Does FS guarantee the same results if run several times?

2020-04-17 Thread Douglas N. Greve
I think recon-all should be deterministic for multiple threads. I know that different machines can give different answers (but usually this is a mac vs linux thing). On 4/17/2020 2:34 PM, Xiaojiang Yang wrote: External Email - Use Caution Hi Douglas, I checked the recon-all.log

Re: [Freesurfer] Does FS guarantee the same results if run several times?

2020-04-17 Thread Xiaojiang Yang
External Email - Use Caution Hi Douglas, I checked the recon-all.log files for both, and found the difference - my mistake, one used FLAIR as extra input and the other did not. I did find another case that has two different results in two runnings. Both runnings have

Re: [Freesurfer] Does FS guarantee the same results if run several times?

2020-04-17 Thread Douglas N. Greve
No, it should be giving the same result every time On 4/17/2020 12:03 PM, Xiaojiang Yang wrote: External Email - Use Caution Thank you Douglas and Tashrif! Does this mean I should run recon-all for each subject several times, and compute the average to get the more reliable

Re: [Freesurfer] Does FS guarantee the same results if run several times?

2020-04-17 Thread Douglas N. Greve
When we run repeated analyses on the same data on the same system, we always get the same results doug On 4/17/2020 11:32 AM, Billah, Tashrif wrote: Hi Xiaojiang and Douglas, I think it is the attribute of having random initialization in the registration steps. This slight discrepancy can

Re: [Freesurfer] Does FS guarantee the same results if run several times?

2020-04-17 Thread Douglas N. Greve
Can you send the recon-all.log files for two of the runs that should be identical? On 4/17/2020 11:15 AM, Xiaojiang Yang wrote: External Email - Use Caution No. I just checked, they are not identical. Although some of numbers are the same, many are different. Xiaojiang Are the

Re: [Freesurfer] Does FS guarantee the same results if run several times?

2020-04-17 Thread Xiaojiang Yang
External Email - Use Caution Thank you Douglas and Tashrif! Does this mean I should run recon-all for each subject several times, and compute the average to get the more reliable thickness? Can anyone else confirm this? Thanks! Xiaojiang

Re: [Freesurfer] Does FS guarantee the same results if run several times?

2020-04-17 Thread Billah, Tashrif
Hi Xiaojiang and Douglas, I think it is the attribute of having random initialization in the registration steps. This slight discrepancy can also be observed with antsRegistration. I don't know the exact algorithm FreeSurfer uses for registration though. Best, Tashrif

Re: [Freesurfer] Does FS guarantee the same results if run several times?

2020-04-17 Thread Xiaojiang Yang
External Email - Use Caution No. I just checked, they are not identical. Although some of numbers are the same, many are different. Xiaojiang Are the other results identical? Eg, lh.aparc.stats? On 4/17/2020 10:49 AM, Xiaojiang Yang wrote: External Email

Re: [Freesurfer] Does FS guarantee the same results if run several times?

2020-04-17 Thread Douglas N. Greve
Are the other results identical? Eg, lh.aparc.stats? On 4/17/2020 10:49 AM, Xiaojiang Yang wrote: External Email - Use Caution Dear Freeserfer developers, I have run recon-all for a bunch of subjects on the same machine for several times. When I use the “mris_anatomical_stats” to

[Freesurfer] Does FS guarantee the same results if run several times?

2020-04-17 Thread Xiaojiang Yang
External Email - Use Caution Dear Freeserfer developers, I have run recon-all for a bunch of subjects on the same machine for several times. When I use the "mris_anatomical_stats" to calculate the statistics (specifically, I am interested in average cortical thickness), I