Re: [Freetel-codec2] FDMDV Time Domain Duplexing

2014-04-20 Thread Bruce Perens
It looks like the available NCOs don't get high enough in frequency. I think we need 350 MHz to over 2 GHz. On April 20, 2014 7:47:46 PM PDT, Bruce Perens wrote: > > > >On April 20, 2014 7:18:07 PM PDT, David Rowe wrote: > >>Bruce - I don't think TDMA will require PLL locking, tx and rx would >

Re: [Freetel-codec2] FDMDV Time Domain Duplexing

2014-04-20 Thread Bruce Perens
On April 20, 2014 7:18:07 PM PDT, David Rowe wrote: >Bruce - I don't think TDMA will require PLL locking, tx and rx would be all on >one frequency. Not sure this is always the case for Whitebox. And we are looking at low-phase-noise DDS chips, and they still have a VCO. If you know of a rea

Re: [Freetel-codec2] FDMDV Time Domain Duplexing

2014-04-20 Thread David Rowe
Hi Daniel, Yes a SDR radio would be a good way to build this. Bruce - I don't think TDMA will require PLL locking, tx and rx would be all on one frequency. If required, a NCO (i.e. DDS) can change frequency instantly. Re PA linearity, it would be nice if the tx power can ramp up reasonably ge

Re: [Freetel-codec2] FDMDV Time Domain Duplexing

2014-04-20 Thread Bruce Perens
Hi Daniel, I like the idea of TDD for a repeater instead of FDD. On HF it would give you break-in, but at the cost of some mostly-wasted bandwidth. Since HTs are power-limited, a modem that does not require linear amplification might work better for them. GMSK or C4FM, etc. There is a lot of ta

Re: [Freetel-codec2] FDMDV Time Domain Duplexing

2014-04-20 Thread Daniel Mundall
David, Thanks so much for your input! That's the idea a super cheap VHF repeater(no duplexers), also thinking of doing something with and SDR to allow one repeater to manage like 10 channels in a 25khz of spectrum. But that's if I can get the timing figured out. Yes it does seem to be an issue on s

Re: [Freetel-codec2] FDMDV Time Domain Duplexing

2014-04-20 Thread David Rowe
Hi Daniel, That sounds very cool. Another nice application is single channel repeater work for VHF. Need a radio that can tx/rx switch fast enough. Couple of ideas: 1/ Have longer timeslots than 20ms, like say 200ms, estimate the rx symbol timing over that window. The timing is probably const

[Freetel-codec2] FDMDV Time Domain Duplexing

2014-04-20 Thread Daniel Mundall
Hello Guys, I've been playing with the FDMDV modem to see if I can get it to support Time Domain Duplexing(TDD), with the end of goal of making full-duplex voice in around 2KHz. Currently I have the modem configured at 100 symbols/second with 14 carriers spaced at 125Hz it works out to 2800bits/s.