Re: [Freetel-codec2] PAPR and handheld operation

2012-06-12 Thread David Rowe
I've managed to reduce the size of tx_filter_memory[] from 115200 bytes to 720 bytes. Still thinking about rx_filter_memory[], that's a bit more involved On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 23:39 +0300, Sergiy wrote: As I see, the largest buffers in FDMDV are two-dimensional arrays

Re: [Freetel-codec2] PAPR and handheld operation

2012-06-12 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 1:33 PM, Patrick Strasser OE6PSE oe6...@wirklich.priv.at wrote: Am 11.05.2012 03:44, schrieb Gregory Maxwell: It should be noted that the OFDM modem with N-PSK carriers modulated with a golay complementary sequence (a rate 1/2 FEC) provides a PAPR of 3dB, which I think

Re: [Freetel-codec2] PAPR and handheld operation

2012-05-13 Thread David Rowe
Thanks Peter, rx_fdm_log[] is now malloc-ed from the heaps instead of being allocated from the stack, and I added the fprintf line as well to rev 454. Perhaps Windows has different stack limitations to Linux. Cheers, David made On Sun, 2012-05-13 at 16:54 +0100, Peter wrote: On 13 May 2012

Re: [Freetel-codec2] PAPR and handheld operation

2012-05-11 Thread Brian Morrison
On Thu, 10 May 2012 21:40:36 -0700 Bruce Perens br...@perens.com wrote: On 05/10/2012 09:33 PM, David Rowe wrote: However I think any form of PSK would still require a SSB tcvr, so no HT. When no part of the signal is carried as an amplitude variation, it can be amplified using a

Re: [Freetel-codec2] PAPR and handheld operation

2012-05-11 Thread Brian Morrison
On Thu, 10 May 2012 21:30:44 -0700 (PDT) Anthony Cutler acutle...@yahoo.com wrote: I don't know of a single mass-market HT that does SSB on 2m. TH-F7E (F6 in the US) has SSB on Rx only. I don't know of any that can Tx SSB since the Mizuho series in the early 1980s. -- Brian Morrison

Re: [Freetel-codec2] PAPR and handheld operation

2012-05-11 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Bruce Perens br...@perens.com wrote: The reason that SSB transmission is in general not offered on HTs is that much of the power of a linear PA ends up being turned into heat. Hm. I thought it was also because they don't have stable and accurate oscillators

Re: [Freetel-codec2] PAPR and handheld operation

2012-05-11 Thread Bruce Perens
On 05/11/2012 11:42 AM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 2:14 PM, Bruce Perensbr...@perens.com wrote: The reason that SSB transmission is in general not offered on HTs is that much of the power of a linear PA ends up being turned into heat. Hm. I thought it was also because they

Re: [Freetel-codec2] PAPR and handheld operation

2012-05-11 Thread David Rowe
Hello Bruce List, Some ideas of what a significant improvement over incumbent (analog and 1st gen DV) modes might be: + 6-12dB improvement in SNR for equivalent voice quality + half or a quarter of the RF BW + available in a $100 open hw/open sw box that sits between the Mic/Spkr of any FM

Re: [Freetel-codec2] PAPR and handheld operation

2012-05-10 Thread David Rowe
Hi Bruce, Good idea to bring this topic back on-list. I have a couple of other comments: 1/ The current PAPR is for a canned test sequence of bits that repeats itself every 80ms, not sure what it will be when the modem is driven by codec data. 2/ FDMDV is designed for SSB radios, I don't think

Re: [Freetel-codec2] PAPR and handheld operation

2012-05-10 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Bruce Perens br...@perens.com wrote: David, Mel, and I have been having a discussion of PAPR: peak vs. average power ratio, off of the list.  This is also called crest factor. [snip] Should we compress in software before feeding the amplifier, so that clipping