Re: [ft-devel] [Patch] CJK autofit/autohint blue zones

2011-04-20 Thread mpsuzuki
Dear Sir, Now I'm reviewing your patch to improve bluezones for CJK Ideographs, and have 2 questions. Q1) The vertical bluezones are essential? In vertical CJK typography, there would be the requirement to align long center stems (of the glyphs like 十, 土, 王), to pretend the centerlines of the

Re: [ft-devel] Any tool that visually present segments of autofit module?

2011-04-20 Thread Werner LEMBERG
A few months ago you've written: Are there any tool which visually present segments of autofit module? Something like stems shown in the glyph view of fontforge. No, but I'll probably add this to ftgrid since it would be helpful for my work on the ttfautohint stuff. But it isn't an urgent

Re: [ft-devel] [Patch] CJK autofit/autohint blue zones

2011-04-20 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Also I attached the comparison of 3 typefaces. Just a general question: Are you using B/W rendering in your images for demonstration purposes only? At such small sizes, the autohinter produces bad results if not using AA rendering. Even with TT instructions, CJK fonts normally contain bitmap

Re: [ft-devel] FT_LOAD_IGNORE_GLOBAL_ADVANCE_WIDTH by default?

2011-04-20 Thread Werner LEMBERG
Every user of FreeType that I know has once in their lifetime hit the bug that with many common CJK fonts, non-CJK characters take doublewidth where they should take a single one. The fix always has been to pass FT_LOAD_IGNORE_GLOBAL_ADVANCE_WIDTH to FreeType, as the fonts have the bit set

Re: [ft-devel] [Patch] CJK autofit/autohint blue zones

2011-04-20 Thread suzuki toshiya
The reason why I switched off the anti-aliasing was that the original comparison posted by JustFillBug was the comparison of B/W rendering. Anyway, I have to agree with that it is not practical condition. I will make the picture comparing them under anti-aliasing cases. Regards, mpsuzuki Werner

Re: [ft-devel] [PATCH] CJK Autohinter should not clump stems together when there are too many of them

2011-04-20 Thread mpsuzuki
Hi, Sorry for lated review of your patch. I made slight revise to your patch, it's almost ready to commit. One of my anxiety was that the priority to the black/white evenness can reduce the contrast of the complex glyph. Please find attached picture comparing the results by HeiseiMaruGo-W4 at

Re: [ft-devel] [PATCH] CJK Autohinter should not clump stems together when there are too many of them

2011-04-20 Thread Werner LEMBERG
One of my anxiety was that the priority to the black/white evenness can reduce the contrast of the complex glyph. Please find attached picture comparing the results by HeiseiMaruGo-W4 at 16pt @ 72dpi. In my personal impression, the legibility of the strokes in enclosed area (like 日 or 目) is

Re: [ft-devel] [PATCH] CJK Autohinter should not clump stems together when there are too many of them

2011-04-20 Thread mpsuzuki
On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:35:29 +0200 (CEST) Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: One of my anxiety was that the priority to the black/white evenness can reduce the contrast of the complex glyph. Please find attached picture comparing the results by HeiseiMaruGo-W4 at 16pt @ 72dpi. In my personal

Re: [ft-devel] [Patch] CJK autofit/autohint blue zones

2011-04-20 Thread mpsuzuki
Hi, Here is the anti-aliasing comparison. The patch makes the contrast of some top horizontal strokes (因, 置, 里, 面) weak. # I'm sorry, my previous comparison lost 3 characters # (?) because I've edited UTF-8 sh script by # iso-2022 locale. Regards, mpsuzuki On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 18:38:18

Re: [ft-devel] [Patch] CJK autofit/autohint blue zones

2011-04-20 Thread Just Fill Bugs
On 04/20/2011 02:16 PM, mpsuz...@hiroshima-u.ac.jp wrote: Q1) The vertical bluezones are essential? In vertical CJK typography, there would be the requirement to align long center stems (of the glyphs like 十, 土, 王), to pretend the centerlines of the glyphs are aligned. However, I'm

Re: [ft-devel] [Patch] CJK autofit/autohint blue zones

2011-04-20 Thread Just Fill Bugs
On 04/20/2011 07:31 PM, mpsuz...@hiroshima-u.ac.jp wrote: Here is the anti-aliasing comparison. The patch makes the contrast of some top horizontal strokes (因, 置, 里, 面) weak. It's kinda weird because the bluezones should be grid fit before being used to align stems. In the pictures, the

Re: [ft-devel] [PATCH] CJK Autohinter should not clump stems together when there are too many of them

2011-04-20 Thread Just Fill Bugs
On 04/20/2011 06:35 PM, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Thanks for reviewing. Do you have an idea how to increase the legibility of the longest strokes? Contrary to the proposed patch I think that this what you suggest is quite hard a job to achieve since you not only have to do feature analysis,

Re: [ft-devel] [Patch] CJK autofit/autohint blue zones

2011-04-20 Thread Just Fill Bugs
On 04/20/2011 08:34 PM, Just Fill Bugs wrote: On 04/20/2011 02:16 PM, mpsuz...@hiroshima-u.ac.jp wrote: Maybe my impression about vertical bluezone is based on the typography in Japanese market, so, I don't think this is generic. Please let me know if there is such requirement in Chinese or

Re: [ft-devel] [Patch] CJK autofit/autohint blue zones

2011-04-20 Thread suzuki toshiya
Just Fill Bugs wrote: On 04/20/2011 08:34 PM, Just Fill Bugs wrote: On 04/20/2011 02:16 PM, mpsuz...@hiroshima-u.ac.jp wrote: Maybe my impression about vertical bluezone is based on the typography in Japanese market, so, I don't think this is generic. Please let me know if there is such

Re: [ft-devel] FT_LOAD_IGNORE_GLOBAL_ADVANCE_WIDTH by default?

2011-04-20 Thread Behdad Esfahbod
On 04/20/11 03:11, Werner LEMBERG wrote: Every user of FreeType that I know has once in their lifetime hit the bug that with many common CJK fonts, non-CJK characters take doublewidth where they should take a single one. The fix always has been to pass FT_LOAD_IGNORE_GLOBAL_ADVANCE_WIDTH to

Re: [ft-devel] [PATCH] CJK Autohinter should not clump stems together when there are too many of them

2011-04-20 Thread suzuki toshiya
Just I've committed your patch to git head, thanks! Regards, mpsuzuki r6144 wrote: 在 2011-04-20三的 19:57 +0900,mpsuz...@hiroshima-u.ac.jp写道: On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:35:29 +0200 (CEST) Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: One of my anxiety was that the priority to the black/white evenness can

Re: [ft-devel] [PATCH] CJK Autohinter should not clump stems together when there are too many of them

2011-04-20 Thread r6144
在 2011-04-20三的 19:57 +0900,mpsuz...@hiroshima-u.ac.jp写道: On Wed, 20 Apr 2011 12:35:29 +0200 (CEST) Werner LEMBERG w...@gnu.org wrote: One of my anxiety was that the priority to the black/white evenness can reduce the contrast of the complex glyph. Please find attached picture comparing