Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-31 Thread James Trietsch
- Original Message > You might have missed my earlier post in which I said this: > > Note that a $40 nvidia card will provide an excellent Freevo 2 > experience. > > Now, if all you have is PCI slots (no free AGP or PCI-Express), then the > above won't be true. > > But

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-27 Thread Dirk Meyer
Jason Tackaberry wrote: > I'll start a separate thread with some ideas for questions. Separate thread sounds good :) This one is still called "Making Python 2.5 a requirement" and that is not the problem here. Dischi -- File not found. Should I fake it? (Y/N) -

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-27 Thread Jason Tackaberry
On Tue, 2009-01-27 at 13:38 +0100, Dirk Meyer wrote: > Good question. Can someone start a survey on that? I would guess that > there are two setups in most cases: A survey is actually a pretty good idea. We currently do quite a bit of speculation about our userbase. It'd be nice to have a better

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-27 Thread Dirk Meyer
James Trietsch wrote: > Well, this is a bit of a wet blanket. I'd like to add a question to > the survey: How many people are running Freevo as part of their > ordinary PC (I.E., second display/head while having their X desktop on > the primary) and how many are using a stand-alone box, hooked up t

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-26 Thread Jason Tackaberry
On Mon, 2009-01-26 at 10:20 +, Adam Charrett wrote: > Thankfully I do have a PCI slot spare so I'm hoping that if I do need a > new card a Geforce 6xxx will be up to the task for freevo 2 and SD video. I didn't know you could get a 6000 series in PCI. It _might_ be workable. I'd certainly be

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-26 Thread Jason Tackaberry
Hi James, On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 23:04 -0800, James Trietsch wrote: > the survey: How many people are running Freevo as part of their > ordinary PC (I.E., second display/head while having their X desktop on > the primary) and how many are using a stand-alone box, hooked up to > the living room TV (

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-26 Thread Adam Charrett
On Mon, January 26, 2009 7:04 am, James Trietsch wrote: > Well, this is a bit of a wet blanket. I'd like to add a question to the > survey: How many people are running Freevo as part of their ordinary PC > (I.E., second display/head while having their X desktop on the primary) > and how many are us

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-25 Thread James Trietsch
devel@lists.sourceforge.net > Cc: freevo-us...@lists.sourceforge.net; dun...@freevo.org > Sent: Monday, January 19, 2009 3:21:45 PM > Subject: Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement > > On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 23:53 +0100, Dirk Meyer wrote: > > So after the

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-25 Thread Duncan Webb
Dirk Meyer wrote: > Jason Tackaberry wrote: >> On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 10:55 +0100, Duncan Webb wrote: >>> When comparing the picture quality of TV broadcasts from CRT TVs and TFT >>> TVs the picture quality was simply much better with the CRTs. >> I'm rather tempted to say the reason is, paradoxical

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-25 Thread Dirk Meyer
Jason Tackaberry wrote: > On Sun, 2009-01-25 at 10:52 +0100, Dirk Meyer wrote: >> I guess so. There are four choices: > > Only three. > > >> 2. You have a gfx card that does not support hardware colorspace >>conversion and has no shader support in the GPU. That means we have >>to do the col

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-25 Thread Dirk Meyer
Stephen Rowles wrote: > I was thinking about one of the new Atom 330 (dual core) motherboards as > these are supposed to be able to handle 720p and some 1080p content with > the latest playback drivers, but the graphics card is a very old GMA > 950, would you expect that sort of system to cope w

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-25 Thread Dirk Meyer
Jason Tackaberry wrote: > On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 23:00 +, Andrew Flegg wrote: >> A $40 PCI card, which'll fit a low (CPU-)power Mini-ITX machine in a >> small case with room for only one or two PCI cards? > > PCI? No. If you have no free PCI-express slot, then clearly you can't > upgrade easil

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-24 Thread Jason Tackaberry
On Sat, 2009-01-24 at 23:00 +, Andrew Flegg wrote: > A $40 PCI card, which'll fit a low (CPU-)power Mini-ITX machine in a > small case with room for only one or two PCI cards? PCI? No. If you have no free PCI-express slot, then clearly you can't upgrade easily. The alternative is a motherbo

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-24 Thread Andrew Flegg
On Tue, Jan 20, 2009 at 7:20 PM, Jason Tackaberry wrote: > On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 20:11 +0100, Dirk Meyer wrote: >> What gfx card to you have? > > Note that a $40 nvidia card will provide an excellent Freevo 2 > experience :) A $40 PCI card, which'll fit a low (CPU-)power Mini-ITX machine in a sma

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-23 Thread Dirk Meyer
Jason Tackaberry wrote: > On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 10:55 +0100, Duncan Webb wrote: >> When comparing the picture quality of TV broadcasts from CRT TVs and TFT >> TVs the picture quality was simply much better with the CRTs. > > I'm rather tempted to say the reason is, paradoxically, because of the > a

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-23 Thread Jason Tackaberry
On Fri, 2009-01-23 at 10:55 +0100, Duncan Webb wrote: > When comparing the picture quality of TV broadcasts from CRT TVs and TFT > TVs the picture quality was simply much better with the CRTs. I'm rather tempted to say the reason is, paradoxically, because of the added (temporal) resolution and (s

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-23 Thread Duncan Webb
Jason Tackaberry wrote: > On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 08:59 +0100, Duncan Webb wrote: >> For analogue TV and DVB-T of analogue recordings the CRTs are still very >> much better than flat screens; this has to do with the none square >> pixels on CRTs. > > Can you elaborate on this a bit? I'm skeptical,

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-20 Thread Jason Tackaberry
On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 20:11 +0100, Dirk Meyer wrote: > What gfx card to you have? Note that a $40 nvidia card will provide an excellent Freevo 2 experience :) -- This SF.net email is sponsored by: SourcForge Community So

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-20 Thread Dirk Meyer
Morten Lied Johansen wrote: > I'm running Freevo using FB (uvesafb I think, been a while since I > checked the actual config), simply because I couldn't figure out how to > configure it any other way (and get it to work). :) What gfx card to you have? > As to the 4:3 vs 16:9 debate, I am of the o

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-20 Thread Jason Tackaberry
On Tue, 2009-01-20 at 08:59 +0100, Duncan Webb wrote: > For analogue TV and DVB-T of analogue recordings the CRTs are still very > much better than flat screens; this has to do with the none square > pixels on CRTs. Can you elaborate on this a bit? I'm skeptical, as I don't see why this couldn't

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-20 Thread Duncan Webb
Dirk Meyer wrote: > John Molohan wrote: >> Dirk Meyer wrote: >>> Duncan Webb wrote: >>> I've just started the jump from Python-2.4 to Python-2.6 on my DirectFB machine. So far it has been easy enough and been fairly trouble free. >>> Stupid question from the 2.0 development p

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-19 Thread Duncan Webb
Dirk Meyer wrote: > Jason Tackaberry wrote: >> I'm prepared now to begin using Python 2.5 features inside kaa.base and >> make it a formal requirement unless there are no further arguments. >> This new requirement will apply to svn shortly, and to the next release. > > We could remove the 2.4 yiel

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-19 Thread Dirk Meyer
John Molohan wrote: > Dirk Meyer wrote: >> Duncan Webb wrote: >> >>> I've just started the jump from Python-2.4 to Python-2.6 on my DirectFB >>> machine. So far it has been easy enough and been fairly trouble free. >>> >> >> Stupid question from the 2.0 development point of view: you use DF

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-19 Thread John Molohan
Jason Tackaberry wrote: > On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 23:53 +0100, Dirk Meyer wrote: > >> So after the 2.4 question, here a new one: anyone not using X11 and why? >> > > I'm also interested in answers especially that don't involve old > hardware. > > This may be a controversial statement, but we'

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-19 Thread John Molohan
Dirk Meyer wrote: > Duncan Webb wrote: > >> I've just started the jump from Python-2.4 to Python-2.6 on my DirectFB >> machine. So far it has been easy enough and been fairly trouble free. >> > > Stupid question from the 2.0 development point of view: you use DFB in > Freevo? What card to y

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-19 Thread Jason Tackaberry
On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 23:53 +0100, Dirk Meyer wrote: > So after the 2.4 question, here a new one: anyone not using X11 and why? I'm also interested in answers especially that don't involve old hardware. This may be a controversial statement, but we're not considering older hardware at all for Fre

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-19 Thread Jason Tackaberry
On Mon, 2009-01-19 at 23:50 +0100, Dirk Meyer wrote: > kaa.rpc and we want to rename one function there. I guess you also use > kaa.Process which will be updated with a new API soon (that API requires > 2.5). Not just a new API, but semantic changes that might mean a not-so-straightforward porting

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-19 Thread Dirk Meyer
Duncan Webb wrote: > I've just started the jump from Python-2.4 to Python-2.6 on my DirectFB > machine. So far it has been easy enough and been fairly trouble free. Stupid question from the 2.0 development point of view: you use DFB in Freevo? What card to you have? For 2.0 we are going we are mak

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-19 Thread Dirk Meyer
Jason Tackaberry wrote: > I'm prepared now to begin using Python 2.5 features inside kaa.base and > make it a formal requirement unless there are no further arguments. > This new requirement will apply to svn shortly, and to the next release. We could remove the 2.4 yield support with the get_resu

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-16 Thread Jason Tackaberry
On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 19:52 -0800, Michel Lespinasse wrote: > There is an etch package for python 2.5, so this would not be a huge deal. This seems to be the general sentiment so far. Duncan, you're so far kaa.base's biggest customer (by means of Freevo 1.x) so I'd definitely like to hear your th

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-15 Thread Michel Lespinasse
On Thu, Jan 15, 2009 at 09:05:24PM +0100, Dirk Meyer wrote: > we are wondering if we can make Python 2.5 a requirement for Freevo 1.8? > It would make things a lot easier in kaa.base (signal handler) and > kaa.metadata (relative imports). So how many users still use Python 2.4 > and why? My freevo

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-15 Thread Jason Tackaberry
On Thu, 2009-01-15 at 21:56 +0100, Torsten Kurbad wrote: > Anyway, Gentoo makes it relatively easy to have several Python versions > installed at the same time. Thus, no objection in general. I think it's the case that most distros allow multiple python versions to coexist fairly easily. ---

Re: [Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-15 Thread Torsten Kurbad
Hi Dischi, > So how many users still use Python 2.4 and why? I for my part still prefer Python 2.4, since I'm involved in some projects that are based on Zope3 releases, which don't run on Python 2.5. Anyway, Gentoo makes it relatively easy to have several Python versions installed at the same t

[Freevo-devel] Please Read: Making Python 2.5 a requirement

2009-01-15 Thread Dirk Meyer
Hi, we are wondering if we can make Python 2.5 a requirement for Freevo 1.8? It would make things a lot easier in kaa.base (signal handler) and kaa.metadata (relative imports). So how many users still use Python 2.4 and why? Dischi -- It's not Area 51 I'm worried about- it's Areas 1 through 50