Re: [FRIAM] computer models of the mind

2006-07-20 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Carlos, I think that was my point, although I am starting to get confused. (see below). It makes no sense to speak of mind as IN the body because it is an activity OF the body. Nick Nicholas Thompson [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson > [Original Message] > From: C

[FRIAM] Laws of the Game

2006-07-20 Thread Ross Goeres
My wife found an excellent book that appears to have a number of interesting connections to MOTH, NetLogo implementations, and emergent properties of stochastic systems: "Laws of the Game: How the Principles of Nature Govern Chance" by Manfred Eigen and Ruthild Winkler. The original German ISBN: 0

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2006-07-20 Thread Jose Lobo
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Re: [FRIAM] computer models of the mind

2006-07-20 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Gak!, Phil, Reminds me of that anecdote that is designed to show the fallacy of induction. Drunk falls off the patio of the 14th floor of an apartment abuilding. On every patio for the 13 floors below, is, (as it happens) an eager psychology student ready to record the drunk's reactions as he g

Re: [FRIAM] singularity

2006-07-20 Thread Bill Eldridge
Carlos Gershenson wrote: Crude quantitative measures are no good. For instance, the intro of OO techniques can increase functionality with sometimes a decrease in the number of lines of code. An example close to home for me was the change from EcoLab 3 to EcoLab 4. The number of lines h

Re: [FRIAM] singularity

2006-07-20 Thread Russell Standish
Like weighing Stroustrup versus Kernighan & Richie ?? I think the C++ book weighs 4 times as much as the C book, but I'm sure C++ is more than 4 times as powerful... Cheers On Thu, Jul 20, 2006 at 01:36:00PM +0200, Carlos Gershenson wrote: > > Crude quantitative measures are no good. For instanc

Re: [FRIAM] singularity

2006-07-20 Thread Carlos Gershenson
> Crude quantitative measures are no good. For instance, the intro of OO > techniques can increase functionality with sometimes a decrease in the > number of lines of code. An example close to home for me was the > change from EcoLab 3 to EcoLab 4. The number of lines halved, but > functionality wa

Re: [FRIAM] singularity

2006-07-20 Thread Russell Standish
Crude quantitative measures are no good. For instance, the intro of OO techniques can increase functionality with sometimes a decrease in the number of lines of code. An example close to home for me was the change from EcoLab 3 to EcoLab 4. The number of lines halved, but functionality was increase

Re: [FRIAM] computer models of the mind

2006-07-20 Thread Carlos Gershenson
Dear Robert,Similarly, who says I can't have a mind without a body? Won't it carry on existing in the mind of the Intelligent Designer?You could say so, just as a Linux OS could be sitting in a CD... but it wouldn't function, so for practical purposes, it is as good as non-existant. Thus, a mind ne

Re: [FRIAM] singularity

2006-07-20 Thread Carlos Gershenson
> I wouldn't be surprised if software development was actually > exponential, however it is harder to measure improvement, and the > improvement is not a smooth as hardware improvement. I guess that we would like to have a general measure of the growth of software complexity, but I don't know if