Re: [FRIAM] off topic....., but still

2011-05-04 Thread siddharth
apparently this isn't even by MLK in the first place. http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/05/out-of-osamas-death-a-fake-quotation-is-born/238220/ !!! On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: I mourn the loss of thousands of precious

Re: [FRIAM] off topic....., but still

2011-05-04 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Hi, everybody . I am trying to decide whether to be embarrassed about this turn of events or not. The words expressed something that I had been wanting to say for about 48 hours, but had been unable to find words for. I think I would have sent them on to FRIAM if they had been authored by my

Re: [FRIAM] off topic....., but still

2011-05-04 Thread Sarbajit Roy
Hi Doug , Would you say the same for Gadaffi's grandchildren too ? Sarbajit Roy अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम् । उदारचरितानां तु वसुधैव कुटुम्बकम् ॥ He is mine and he is other, is the thought that narrow minded people have. For noble people, the entire world is family. On Tue, May 3,

Re: [FRIAM] off topic....., but still

2011-05-04 Thread glen e. p. ropella
I started thinking about writing a toy model after this article was referenced in another forum: http://www.economist.com/node/18563638 I've always viewed the initiative process a bit suspiciously. It's not that I don't trust myself or the other yahoos on the street... but I do believe in

Re: [FRIAM] off topic....., but still

2011-05-04 Thread Douglas Roberts
No, of course not Sarbajit. The death of children is just one of the many horrors that result from religious and cultural confrontation. And we are all to blame for having allowed to let it continue since the beginning of recorded history. --Doug On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Sarbajit Roy

Re: [FRIAM] off topic....., but still

2011-05-04 Thread Steve Smith
Nick - Still, me being supposedly a scholar, and all, makes it a bit rough. So, I guess I */am/* embarrassed. Sorry! It was all I could do to not smart-assedly claim you had sucker-punched us with that quote. But on followup of the (mis)quote, the mangling was minimal... the spirit was

Re: [FRIAM] off topic....., but still

2011-05-04 Thread Douglas Roberts
In my case, I believe perhaps 10% of what I see/hear. And demand proof for that. Not, mind you, that I'm particularly intelligent/educated... --Doug On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: I'm curious how many of the educated, intelligent people on this list

Re: [FRIAM] off topic....., but still

2011-05-04 Thread Steve Smith
Glen, et alii - I have listened to the chatter on this mail list for years now and with only a few exceptions, we don't seem to put our models where our mouth is. We are all here ostensibly because we know something about Complexity and Modeling, or at least that we are Complexity Groupies

[FRIAM] On a happier, less deep note

2011-05-04 Thread Douglas Roberts
Thanks to all my FRIAM friends for your support in helping me sell the first 100 copies of my new book! Anybody who didn't get a virtual signed copy of the cover who wants one, just let me know. http://parrot-farm.net/Second-Cousins/ --Doug

Re: [FRIAM] off topic....., but still

2011-05-04 Thread glen e. p. ropella
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It's a good ramble. But to be clear, modeling and simulation (MS) is not about, nor has it ever been about, finding a better model. Perhaps that's arrogant on my part. How about MS has never been about finding a better _anything_ for me. MS is

[FRIAM] Memetic Drift in Threads, was: off topic....., but still

2011-05-04 Thread Steve Smith
On reflection of Owen's thread hygiene around hijacking, etc., I have to wonder about the implications of what I want to call memetic drift. We start with a topic, and at some point it has wandered enough to qualify for a new subject... but it is not always obvious when it deserved a new

Re: [FRIAM] Memetic Drift in Threads, was: off topic....., but still

2011-05-04 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky
Very sly you are Steve Smith, The topic with no Name has been an ever present part of the group discussions. It drifts because we have never nailed it to the wall. There is a propensity to organize and control discussions. The nameless issues are like flies in our face. We try so hard to shoo

[FRIAM] Why I wish there were more women coming to FRIAM

2011-05-04 Thread Tom Johnson
MIT management professor Tom Malone on collective intelligence and the “genetic” structure of groups http://www.niemanlab.org/2011/05/mit-management-professor-tom-malone-on-collective-intelligence-and-the-genetic-structure-of-groups/ -tj

Re: [FRIAM] off topic....., but still

2011-05-04 Thread sbarr2
Apparently the quote is an appended version of a passage that appeared in MLK's book _Strength to Love_: http://books.google.com/books?id=errxX4tzSMcCpg=PA53#v=onepageqf=false How it joined the first sentence is not clear. A facebook post has been credited:

[FRIAM] Infidel ity

2011-05-04 Thread Steve Smith
Shawn - Interesting find... has anyone done some analysis via Google's caches to see if this was the earliest recorded reference? Seems like there might be some parallel to the OED process for origins of words, terms, phrases? Do we know the frequency (i'm sure it is adaptive) of

[FRIAM] monkeys, Shakespeare, and Venn

2011-05-04 Thread lrudolph
Recent talk of memes and original sources reminds me that, just the other day, I was reading John Venn's book on logic (published 5 years before he wrote the paper which gave the name Venn diagrams to the familiar diagrams that had been around much longer), and discovered that he spends about 3