Re: [FRIAM] The stopping rule

2011-06-09 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
Ok, I'm a bad person for not reading the cited paper, but I was thinking about problem late last night. I keep thinking that we need to make assumptions about the distribution (regarding bounds and shape), but then I can't figure out a combination of assumptions that really seems necessary. This

Re: [FRIAM] The stopping rule

2011-06-09 Thread Sarbajit Roy
A lucid analysis. BUT, If we consider the median = 1/2 infinity case, we end up with 3 equally probable cases. a) both number below median b) both numbers above median c) one below and one above median alternatively we could get 4 equally probable cases 1) A below B below 2) A below B above 3) A

Re: [FRIAM] The stopping rule

2011-06-09 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
Sarbajit, Great point, but let me make it a bit more complicated. Possibilities marked with a + indicate situations in which we will have a probabilistic advantage in our guessing, possibilities marked with a - indicate situations in which we will have a probabilistic disadvantage in our guessing:

Re: [FRIAM] The stopping rule

2011-06-09 Thread sbarr2
The first number partitions the distribution. Unless the areas on either side of the partition are equal, there is a greater than 50 percent chance that the second number will be drawn from the larger partition. Assuming that the three numbers are independent and identically distributed, the

[FRIAM] Reminder Today: VPython workshop, Ruth Chabay and Bruce Sherwood

2011-06-09 Thread Stephen Guerin
VPYTHON: 3D PROGRAMMING FOR ORDINARY MORTALS Thursday, June 9, 2011 1:00 pm to 3:00 pm Ruth Chabay and Bruce Sherwood Professors of Physics Emeriti, North Carolina State University VPython is a programming environment that enables even novices to write programs that produce navigable real-time

Re: [FRIAM] The stopping rule

2011-06-09 Thread Sarbajit Roy
a) The assumption was that there is no constraint on the range. b) Knowing 2 numbers (or even a hundred) tells us nothing about the range/boundary for the 3rd (or the 101st). c) So the only thing I can say is that if the 3 numbers are disclosed to the guesser in ascending order, the probability

Re: [FRIAM] The stopping rule

2011-06-09 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
1) Constraint on the range is irrelevant, it is just a distraction. 2) Knowing the actual range or the boundaries is irrelevant, it is only a distraction. -- heck, even knowing the shape of the distribution and the actual value of the numbers is a distraction. 3) All that matters is

Re: [FRIAM] The stopping rule

2011-06-09 Thread Robert Holmes
Errr guys? You might want to check the paperhttp://www.americanscientist.org/issues/issue.aspx?id=5783y=0no=content=truepage=2css=print. It isn't three random numbers. It's two numbers written by a human opponent and a random number. A somewhat different scenario... —R On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at

[FRIAM] The Torture Of Gmail

2011-06-09 Thread Owen Densmore
Like many a damn fool, I'm seriously trying to use Gmail, via the web interface. Now, I (possibly mistakenly) presume you, fellow gmail users, are not going through the tortue I am. In plain words, it Sucks. Really! So I must ask you to answer one of two questions: 1 - How do you bear it? ..

Re: [FRIAM] The Torture Of Gmail

2011-06-09 Thread Sarbajit Roy
Hi Owen, 1) Try disabling Java / Javascript in your browser settings when you use Gmail, 2) Alternatively, opt for the basic HTML version of Gmail (using the settings link, or somewhere at the bottom of the page) Sarbajit On 6/10/11, Owen Densmore o...@backspaces.net wrote: Like many a damn

Re: [FRIAM] [sfx: Discuss] The Torture Of Gmail

2011-06-09 Thread Gary Schiltz
I've been using gmail via IMAP for at least five years, and haven't found it to be bad at all, though I'm not that fond of its web interface either. I started using gmail with Thunderbird under Windows XP, and switched to using it with Mail.app on OS X about three years ago. I haven't had any

Re: [FRIAM] [sfx: Discuss] The Torture Of Gmail

2011-06-09 Thread Grant Holland
Me too. IMAP through Tbird on macs and pcs. On 6/9/11 9:07 PM, Gary Schiltz wrote: I've been using gmail via IMAP for at least five years, and haven't found it to be bad at all, though I'm not that fond of its web interface either. I started using gmail with Thunderbird under Windows XP, and