Re: [FRIAM] The Grand Design, Philosophy is Dead, and Hubris

2011-07-08 Thread qef
Greetings, all -- And then there's this: http://www.xkcd.com/435/ - Claiborne - -Original Message- From: Victoria Hughes victo...@toryhughes.com To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group friam@redfish.com Sent: Thu, Jul 7, 2011 11:46 pm Subject: Re: [FRIAM]

Re: [FRIAM] The Grand Design, Philosophy is Dead, and Hubris

2011-07-08 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Owen, Please. I am confused. What is it that you think philosophers do? Nick From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore Sent: Thursday, July 07, 2011 9:40 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re:

Re: [FRIAM] The Grand Design, Philosophy is Dead, and Hubris

2011-07-08 Thread Steve Smith
P.S. I'll advertise that on my home page (www4.ncsu.edu/~basherwo) I have nothing substantive to add, I just want to express my joy at being prompted to imagine an alternative universe in which one contributor to this list is named Basher Wo. I live in two alternative universii (two mail lists

Re: [FRIAM] The Grand Design, Philosophy is Dead, and Hubris

2011-07-08 Thread Douglas Roberts
I'd be interested in hearing what others on this list think that modern-day philosophers do. I'd express my opinion now, but I'm afraid it would taint the no-doubt rich, insightful responses that I'm sure will follow. But just to be clear, the question is: what to modern-day philosophers do?

Re: [FRIAM] The Grand Design, Philosophy is Dead, and Hubris

2011-07-08 Thread Pamela McCorduck
One modern-day philosopher works hand-in-hand with scientists. I'm thinking here of Daniel Dennett. Ethical behavior used to be pretty clear: do this, don't do that, and you deserve to be punished if you violate those strictures. But as the scientific evidence began to pile up that free will

Re: [FRIAM] The Grand Design, Philosophy is Dead, and Hubris

2011-07-08 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Doug, Let me just say that a think your questions is basically right, but perhaps a tad broad. I agree that philosophers are what philosophers do, but only when they are acting as philosophers. So a philosopher might tell us how to run the economy or what the nature of the universe is, but

[FRIAM] vol 97, issue 15 reaction

2011-07-08 Thread peggy miller
Hi -- reacting to quantum mechanics discussion. Question -- I probably need to go back and reread my quantum and complexity books, but asking anyway -- I can accept quantum particles gain a state when being measured, but that only shows the influence of observation on quantum particles. How do we

[FRIAM] Sense and Sensibilty

2011-07-08 Thread plissaman
Elementary, my dear Dr. Holmes!  I totally concur with his views that most Big decisions in life are in the province of philosophy and humanity, not physics.   For an Oxford mathematician he shows surprisingly good sense!   We have many ethical decisions --   who: to marry, to make war on,

Re: [FRIAM] The Grand Design, Philosophy is Dead, and Hubris

2011-07-08 Thread Roger Critchlow
Philosophy should be about how to use your head, how to think and interact with other thinking beings, and it should work even if you don't know jack about physics, neuroscience, computation, or the history of philosophy, though they are all rich sources of counter-examples. And theology should

[FRIAM] Fwd: wordply

2011-07-08 Thread Victoria Hughes
You mean no one has posted this yet? MENSA INVITATIONAL The Washington Post's Mensa Invitational once again invited readers to take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or changing one letter, and supply a new definition. Here are the winners: 1.

Re: [FRIAM] The Grand Design, Philosophy is Dead, and Hubris

2011-07-08 Thread Russ Abbott
Although some philosophers would disagree with the detailed implications of the following characterization, in a broad sense philosophers spend their time analyzing and clarifying ideas. This is often referred to as conceptual analysis, and it is understood as what one can do from an armchair,

Re: [FRIAM] The Grand Design, Philosophy is Dead, and Hubris

2011-07-08 Thread Owen Densmore
On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 7:07 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Owen, ** ** Please. I am confused. What is it that you think philosophers do? ** ** Nick Well, to be frank, I don't think I can answer beyond they philosophize .. or do philosophy. And

Re: [FRIAM] The Grand Design, Philosophy is Dead, and Hubris

2011-07-08 Thread Russ Abbott
Nick, Owen, Did you guys get my post about what philosophers do? If not, here it is again. *-- Russ * * * Although some philosophers would disagree with the detailed implications of the following characterization, in a broad sense philosophers spend their time analyzing and clarifying ideas.

Re: [FRIAM] vol 97, issue 15 reaction

2011-07-08 Thread Russell Standish
On Fri, Jul 08, 2011 at 10:49:39AM -0600, peggy miller wrote: Hi -- reacting to quantum mechanics discussion. Question -- I probably need to go back and reread my quantum and complexity books, but asking anyway -- I can accept quantum particles gain a state when being measured, but that only

Re: [FRIAM] The Grand Design, Philosophy is Dead, and Hubris

2011-07-08 Thread Russ Abbott
Owen, I think we're basically in agreement -- although see my comment below about what one can do from an armchair. Regarding what philosophers do, I think the issue is clouded by the fact that we want to think of philosophers as deep thinkers wrestling with our deepest problems whereas most

Re: [FRIAM] The Grand Design, Philosophy is Dead, and Hubris

2011-07-08 Thread Nicholas Thompson
All, I have a creepy feeling some of my posts aren't getting through. For instance, did anybody ever tell me what OWEN things philosophers do? Including Owen? If so, could somebody resend the message, cause I never found out. Also, I keep writing messages in which I argue that

Re: [FRIAM] Google+ Circles and Social Networks

2011-07-08 Thread James Steiner
I'm in it now. it looks like the very simple concept of posting messages to circles lets you emulate everything from twitter feeds (short messages to the world) to newletters (longer posts to a group) to chat rooms (posts exchanged among members of a group) to chat and IM (posts to a single person

Re: [FRIAM] The Grand Design, Philosophy is Dead, and Hubris

2011-07-08 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Owen, I finally found your answer. Sorry! It was, in part, But from any direct experience, people appear to believe To Philosophize == To Argue Incessantly. I don't know which people you have in mind. I am sorry that you have met people like that who have claimed to be

Re: [FRIAM] The Grand Design, Philosophy is Dead, and Hubris

2011-07-08 Thread Frank Wimberly
Also, I keep writing messages in which I argue that the proper comparison for philosophy is with mathematics, not with physics. At least two of them I can find no trace of in my inbox, my out box, sent items, or anywhere. Gremlins. I got those. Frank From: friam-boun...@redfish.com

Re: [FRIAM] The Grand Design, Philosophy is Dead, and Hubris

2011-07-08 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Thanks, Frank. Thank God SOMEBODY is getting them. Nick From: friam-boun...@redfish.com [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Frank Wimberly Sent: Friday, July 08, 2011 10:44 PM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: Re: [FRIAM] The Grand

Re: [FRIAM] vol 97, issue 15 reaction

2011-07-08 Thread Bruce Sherwood
To which I would add this: The difficult experiments that deal with this subtle issue are relatively recent, and until it became possible to carry them out, I believe that it was possible to argue that the system was already in the finally observed state before the measurement confirmed what state

Re: [FRIAM] Google+ Circles and Social Networks

2011-07-08 Thread Victoria Hughes
I just signed up, am on the list: is there a quicker way to get an account? Went to Jochen's page, looks nice and clean. Of course pictures of the Maldives beaches are helpful. Does a trip there come with the G+ account?... Tory On Jul 8, 2011, at 7:07 PM, James Steiner wrote: I'm in it