Re: [FRIAM] So, *Are* We Alone?

2012-04-09 Thread Russ Abbott
Russell Standish put it well. But let me try a further comment. You wrote, C. S. Peirce would point out that if you truly behave AS IF something is the case, then you believe it to be the case. To Peirce, that’s just what belief IS. According to that would Peirce say that animals have beliefs?

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2012-04-09 Thread Victoria Hughes
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Re: [FRIAM] Peirce and teleology

2012-04-09 Thread Russ Abbott
I object to the snarkiness of the term *Inner Sanctum*. But that aside, I now have 2 points. - It struck me this morning that the position you attribute to Peirce (and that you accept yourself?) imports teleology into biology (or even physics if it applies to matter as well). If a

Re: [FRIAM] Peirce and teleology

2012-04-09 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Well, relation to a relation is my way of talking, not Peirce's. he uses the word sign, but he uses that term in such contorted and ephemeral ways that I have started to try to understand him WITHOUT using it. Sorry, I didn't mean to be snarky. It is inner and it is a kind of sanctum,

Re: [FRIAM] So, *Are* We Alone?

2012-04-09 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Let's say you are a phd student. Let's say you go to your orals committee and propose a dissertation topic. Let's say, they ask you, why are you interested in that? You reply, it just interests me. Do you get the degree? Or let's say you apply for a prestigious NSF fellowship. On the

Re: [FRIAM] Peirce and teleology

2012-04-09 Thread Russ Abbott
Nick, Please see below. *-- Russ * On Mon, Apr 9, 2012 at 12:14 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: Well, “relation to a relation” is my way of talking, not Peirce’s. he uses the word “sign”, but he uses that term in such contorted and ephemeral ways that I have started

Re: [FRIAM] Peirce and teleology

2012-04-09 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Russ, A am at least tempted by what I see in Peirce as a weird kind of reductive panpsychist: Mind is everywhere, but it consists in the that fact that one entity stands in relation to a relation between two other entities. This is not, however, something that I am prepared to go to

Re: [FRIAM] So, *Are* We Alone?

2012-04-09 Thread Bruce Sherwood
This is presumably a response to a note I wrote about a thousand emails ago, in which I claimed for Owen (and me) the right to be interested in star populations and the evolution of sentience just simply because we're interested in it, and I didn't like your challenging us and asking for

Re: [FRIAM] So, *Are* We Alone?

2012-04-09 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Hi, everybody, Somebody (whom I respect greatly) has eldered me, writing to say that I am in danger of driving everybody nuts with my new found interest in the logic of scientific inquiry. So I will give it a rest, and lurk for a month. If anybody wants to talk off line about any of the