[FRIAM] The Presidential Election

2012-11-03 Thread Jochen Fromm
I have the impression that the list has become a bit quiet in the last weeks. Are you involved in a campaign for one of the candidates? New Mexico is a blue state, so most of you will be for President Obama. For a European, it is hard to understand why one would make a different choice

Re: [FRIAM] The Presidential Election

2012-11-03 Thread Jochen Fromm
XKCD has a nice graphic about the red/blue history of the congress which shows the impacts of various events http://www.xkcd.com/1127/ I have heard that in some states (Nebraska for instance) some people really fear that their souls go straight to hell if they vote for the democrats,

Re: [FRIAM] The Presidential Election

2012-11-03 Thread ERIC P. CHARLES
Jochen, I was deep intrigued by the more detailed maps that were produced to go along with the 2008 elections. I suspect Pinker is trying to explain a not real phenomenon (such is often my impression with Pinker, but that's another discussion). Take for example the purple graph at the bottom of

Re: [FRIAM] The Presidential Election

2012-11-03 Thread Douglas Roberts
Even more backwards than you make it sound; that's how backwards this country is. Sent from Android. On Nov 3, 2012 12:48 PM, Jochen Fromm j...@cas-group.net wrote: XKCD has a nice graphic about the red/blue history of the congress which shows the impacts of various events

Re: [FRIAM] The Presidential Election

2012-11-03 Thread Jochen Fromm
Perhaps Gary Johnson would be an interesting alternative. Although there is nothing better than Obama in my opinion: his humble beginnings are the proof that America is not ruled by a small number of super rich families. -J. Am 03.11.2012 20:04, schrieb ERIC P. CHARLES: Jochen, I was

Re: [FRIAM] The Presidential Election

2012-11-03 Thread Robert Holmes
Oh, so you're a Romney supporter? On Sat, Nov 3, 2012 at 1:04 PM, ERIC P. CHARLES e...@psu.edu wrote: snip P.S. I have a nice Gary Johnson sign outside my house. FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at

Re: [FRIAM] The Presidential Election

2012-11-03 Thread Roger Critchlow
Here's how backward the conservative heart of america beats: http://www.thebaffler.com/past/the_long_con -- rec -- FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives,

Re: [FRIAM] The Presidential Election

2012-11-03 Thread Carl Tollander
Well, as someone who grew up in Nebraska and up until recently visited several times a year, I don't think its as weird a place as you portray. The social networks formed in part from the state's rural origins, fallout from and reaction to politics (e.g. populist revolt, you could look it

Re: [FRIAM] The Presidential Election

2012-11-03 Thread Owen Densmore
I was surprised how complex the voting here was! We just early-voted after looking at the ballot, http://www.santafecountynm.gov/userfiles/Pct_48.2.pdf and checking the usual suspects (League of Women Voters, SF New Mexican). On one close call we even checked out a video between the two

Re: [FRIAM] The Presidential Election

2012-11-03 Thread Jochen Fromm
Interesting read. Sometimes we wonder why other peoples voting decisions are fundamentally different from ours even if all good reasons speak against it. Are they backward or brainwashed? Jonathan Haidt has written a book named The Righteous Mind where he argues that people don't really listen

Re: [FRIAM] The Presidential Election

2012-11-03 Thread Nicholas Thompson
Jochen, At this week's FRIAM meeting, we talked briefly about politics and it was clear that there was some disagreement around the table. We were about to let it go, on that ground, when I decided, spurred by my newly embraced pragmatist ideology, to beg that they all put their minds for 5

Re: [FRIAM] The Presidential Election

2012-11-03 Thread Russ Abbott
Haidt has a nice TED talkhttp://www.ted.com/talks/jonathan_haidt_on_the_moral_mind.htmlbased on the book. My sense is that a lot of it is emotional--rather than rational--for a lot of people. Nick, how did your experiment go? We might do the experiment here. One standard way of proceeding is to