Re: [FRIAM] Time needs some sanity!

2013-11-04 Thread Arlo Barnes
Neo-retro luddite that I am, I would like my calender *more*, not less registered on solar and lunar cycles. Meanwhile, I vote to not bother changing our clocks... stay on standard time. And while we are at it, let's not be too hasty about declaring Pi to be equal to 3 just because it is

Re: [FRIAM] Message from Cambridge

2013-11-04 Thread Arlo Barnes
nothing you find can be used in court against me. The problem is the same one government has right now: we cannot immediately know Snowden is not making up any given leak (although we probably have good reason to think not by now), but most any claim he makes we can FOIA. It is the knowledge

Re: [FRIAM] Time needs some sanity!

2013-11-04 Thread Steve Smith
Arlo - I applaud your attempts at brevity... I shall take note. I have given my recommendation (last clock change) for what we as a world should do. Rather than rehashing it I shall note that, as a non-farmer (and someone who does not often keep recommendable sleep schedules, but that is

Re: [FRIAM] Message from Moscow

2013-11-04 Thread Steve Smith
On 11/3/13 11:55 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote: I had composed a big email about the quoted statement below, but it was too wandering for my taste, so the parallel universe FruAM group, and Curl received that one. The FriAM group and Carl will get a more succinct response. He loves his country,

Re: [FRIAM] Message from Cambridge

2013-11-04 Thread Pamela McCorduck
I'm not praising data mining without my permission; just saying what happened, and grateful my eccentricities didn't sent them on a witch hunt. Yes, I understand what you're saying about the other issues, Arlo. This is an ugly moment in a civilized country. And today comes a report from a

[FRIAM] Fwd: [IP] CIA made doctors torture suspected terrorists after 9/11, taskforce finds

2013-11-04 Thread Pamela McCorduck
This is the item I referred to earlier. PMcC Begin forwarded message: From: David Farber far...@gmail.com Subject: [IP] CIA made doctors torture suspected terrorists after 9/11, taskforce finds Date: November 4, 2013 7:04:11 AM EST To: ip i...@listbox.com Reply-To: d...@farber.net

Re: [FRIAM] Message from Cambridge

2013-11-04 Thread Nick Thompson
Pamela, I think you may be letting the Doctors off too easy. Before I accept forced, I want to see evidence of any resistance. Did they use the tools available to them in the chain of command? I suspect this is going to turn out to be an example of the Milgram Experimental Paradigm.

Re: [FRIAM] Time needs some sanity!

2013-11-04 Thread Arlo Barnes
Come the Apocalypse you will probably wish you were a farmer ;) Yes, but that is what fuels evolution is it not? Huge numbers of failures and a very very few successes? Well, the US government is a lot more likable during the war. They have a career retraining program to teach office workers

Re: [FRIAM] Message from Cambridge

2013-11-04 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 11/4/13, 1:45 AM, Arlo Barnes wrote: we cannot immediately know Snowden is not making up any given leak but in some cases.. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-switch/wp/2013/11/04/how-we-know-the-nsa-had-access-to-internal-google-and-yahoo-cloud-data/