Re: [FRIAM] How to reduce the influence of money in US politics!

2014-07-01 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
Thanks guys for including the link at mayday.us! Dunno why it didn't show in my original. BTW for others the deadline for this crowd-funded campaign is July 4th! I like the quote from one of the videos; I think it was something like: 95% of Americans believe there's too much special

Re: [FRIAM] How to reduce the influence of money in US politics!

2014-07-01 Thread glen
https://mayday.us/ So, just to be clear, with the money you give them, they will fund the campaigns of (any) candidates who promise to support campaign finance reform. Then once those politicians who promised that are elected, they will lobby those (and others) to pass such legislation (even

Re: [FRIAM] How to reduce the influence of money in US politics!

2014-07-01 Thread Steve Smith
It is a little ironic to suggest that one can fund elections and legislation to end the funding of elections and legislation... Like the war to end all wars at the beginning of the 20th century, followed by yet another war roughly designed to do the same thing, followed by 50 years of cold

Re: [FRIAM] How to reduce the influence of money in US politics!

2014-07-01 Thread glen
On 07/01/2014 02:19 PM, Steve Smith wrote: It is a little ironic to suggest that one can fund elections and legislation to end the funding of elections and legislation... Like the war to end all wars at the beginning of the 20th century, followed by yet another war roughly designed to do the

Re: [FRIAM] How to reduce the influence of money in US politics!

2014-07-01 Thread Russ Abbott
​Lessig acknowledges the irony of it all. As I noted, I created my own Pledge Page.​ Perhaps someone would like to create a FRIAM pledge page where we can all contribute! *-- Russ Abbott* *_* * Professor, Computer Science* * California State

Re: [FRIAM] How to reduce the influence of money in US politics!

2014-07-01 Thread glen
On 07/01/2014 02:32 PM, Joseph Spinden wrote: There is no even if. Given the current state of the SCOTUS, the ONLY way to reform campaign finance is to pass constitutional amendments overturning Citizens United, etc. SCOTUS cannot overrule the Constitution -- no matter how active the Roberts

Re: [FRIAM] How to reduce the influence of money in US politics!

2014-07-01 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - I don't mind the irony. In fact, the old saying fight fire with fire wouldn't exist if it _never_ worked. I agree... I just couldn't leave it unstated. What I'm interested in, since this is a list presumably about _complexity_, I thought it was about coffee on friday mornings? is the

Re: [FRIAM] How to reduce the influence of money in US politics!

2014-07-01 Thread Gillian Densmore
I'm wondering if where the issue comes from is my choice always being Red or Blue. I can't help but wonder: If the US somehow were to change over to a parilimentarysk system would that help On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 5:12 PM, Gillian Densmore gil.densm...@gmail.com wrote: In comunist America

Re: [FRIAM] How to reduce the influence of money in US politics!

2014-07-01 Thread Gillian Densmore
I say that ask I have a history of voting indipendent-I don't want to squander my vote But I don't want have to choose coke or coke light, sometimes herbal tea would be better and sometimes not just any ol herbal tea, mint tea (for example) On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 5:24 PM, Gillian Densmore

Re: [FRIAM] How to reduce the influence of money in US politics!

2014-07-01 Thread Arlo Barnes
On Tue, Jul 1, 2014 at 5:36 PM, glen g...@ropella.name wrote: But, again, hyper-focus on how we vote is probably no better than hyper-focus on how campaigns are funded. If only there were some way we could compose multiple mechanisms into some magic machine and, oh I don't know, run it

Re: [FRIAM] How to reduce the influence of money in US politics!

2014-07-01 Thread Russ Abbott
I sure hope that besides all this talk, at least a few people are actually offering support. *-- Russ Abbott* *_* * Professor, Computer Science* * California State University, Los Angeles* * Google voice: 747-*999-5105;CS Dept.:

Re: [FRIAM] How to reduce the influence of money in US politics!

2014-07-01 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
Dare I say, as expected, offered an opportunity to actual do something, many (the 91%?) keep explaining (debate back and forth) why one should do nothing. With all the talent and expertise on this list, surely someone could help Larry Lessig succeed with his campaign? It's

Re: [FRIAM] How to reduce the influence of money in US politics!

2014-07-01 Thread Steve Smith
Dare I say, as expected, offered an opportunity to actual do something, many (the 91%?) keep explaining (debate back and forth) why one should do nothing. I personally find that one can act *and* discuss the implications and consequences of their actions at the same time. With all the talent