Re: [FRIAM] FW: Meat

2015-11-02 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi Carl, I like Steve's idea (Was it Steve's? I am having a hard time following!) that as scientists we live in a network of other scientists, and our own behavior is not so important as the constraints enforced on us as part of the network. So, my wonder at the fact that we make decisions in ou

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Meat

2015-11-02 Thread Carl
Speaking as a mammal, who has gone to some efforts to be well preserved, it now appears that I am carcinogenic if consumed. I am unsure as to whether to be disappointed or elated. Certainly a caution to those of cannibalistic bent. This does raise the issue that if I am indeed carcinogenic,

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Meat

2015-11-02 Thread Carl
Well, one eventually gets 3m from the West Antarctica collapse alone, if that happens. However there are other possibly-soon-to-be-not-so-frozen bits on the planet (Greenland, the Arctic, other parts of Antarctica, etc) which are outside that particular study. So one could imagine 3m to be

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Meat

2015-11-02 Thread Marcus Daniels
Surely someone has collected the digital elevation models (DEM) to find potential growth areas near areas that would be impacted by such a water rise? You know, as investment opportunities. (Or to systematically short-sell them.) New Orleans lost half their population after Katrina.. _

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Meat

2015-11-02 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - >At first, I struggled to find something to argue with. But I finally found it! Well struggled, well found! >> As those here who have actually *done* science, know, it is far from trivial to really track down all the data and reproduce all of the >>experiments, etc. to begin to "prov

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Meat

2015-11-02 Thread Roger Critchlow
Sorry, misquoted the abstract in a particularly alarming way by paraphrasing journalistic sources: 60 years of continuing destabilization of the Amundsen Basin, as is currently being observed, leads to a subsequent collapse of the West Antarctic Ice Sheet and an eventual 3m sea rise. -- rec -- On

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Meat

2015-11-02 Thread Roger Critchlow
speaking of crash and burn, you all caught the PNAS early release today, http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/10/28/1512482112.abstract?sid=6a257104-4e5a-45e0-ad64-03d3b03c8f43, anticipating 3m sea rise in the next 60 years, and no sign of anything to be done at this point? -- rec -- On Mon, N

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Meat

2015-11-02 Thread glen
At first, I struggled to find something to argue with. But I finally found it! On 11/02/2015 02:33 PM, Steve Smith wrote: Even though I was trained as a Scientist (especially though?) I find it impossible to do enough research on any "popular" topic to even pretend to understand the issue and

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Meat

2015-11-02 Thread Rich Murray
I enjoyed Friam for a few years -- glad to see a few others have ventured into expanded awareness explorations, like Zen -- shared paranormal experience is core to conveying mysticism -- this is becoming more prominent in recent years with the proliferation of free video teaching, crafted to induce

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Meat

2015-11-02 Thread glen
On 11/02/2015 08:44 AM, glen wrote: On 11/02/2015 01:55 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: It seems to highlight the state vs. behavior duality. [NST==>Do I know that duality? I am guessing that I think of them in terms of levels of organization. Can you say more? <==nst] So, in the 20 or so

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Meat

2015-11-02 Thread Steve Smith
Nick/Glen - I haven't tracked the details of this thread, but the bits I've skimmed have been interesting. My own experience has more to do with "entrainment" than "deference to authority".   Even though I was trained as a Scientist (es

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Meat

2015-11-02 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi, Glen, Interesting response. As I get older, I see the asymptote on which I am converging is that by the time I die I will know nothing. Thus, it's quite possible that I am just being inconsistent. But let's look into it. See below. Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ps

Re: [FRIAM] FW: Meat

2015-11-02 Thread glen
I really like the idea of virtuous argumentation. It seems to highlight the state vs. behavior duality. But, this seems right in line with my tendencies against (naive) realism. You tend to spend quite a bit of time trashing relativist positions (including the more extreme postmodernism), y