Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy

2016-02-20 Thread Nick Thompson
Ok. Let’s take this in baby steps. You wrote: “Intimacy has to do with …knowing about the subjective experience of another person. I asked: “But what is it to know the subjective experience of another ?” Best to start there. I made the mistake of presupposing your

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy

2016-02-20 Thread Russ Abbott
Hi Nick, Thanks for the reply -- and sorry about the tooth. I wasn't intending to re-open the question of subjective experience in general -- and certainly not about whether we can be sure about understanding someone else's. It just struck me that intimacy as I understand that term depends on an

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy

2016-02-20 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi, Russ, You wrote: Intimacy is … not about just about knowing something about someone that isn't generally known, e.g., where the person went to elementary school or her mother's maiden. Intimacy has to do with the kinds of things that are known, in particular with knowing about the

Re: [FRIAM] Grumble- NM's crappy internet

2016-02-20 Thread Nick Thompson
Gill, I believe it’s the case that you can go down to the Railyard and have all the speed you want. If you are doing a large scale backup recovery from the web, it might be worth the trip. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy

2016-02-20 Thread John Kennison
Hi Nick, Yes, I do, of course, remember this, but I keep on thinking that something is being overlooked. Your writing seems fine to me --but I'll have to parse it and think about it before I give a more thoughtful response. Cheers, John From: Friam

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy

2016-02-20 Thread lrudolph
> Dreams and hallucinations are experiences that don't, in the long run, pan > out. Speak for yourself, man! FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy

2016-02-20 Thread Nick Thompson
John, What I used to say, when you knew me back at Clark, is that MY consciousness is the slice that is cut through the world by MY behavior. This is the New Realist view, laid out by Holt in the early 20th century. A slightly different way of saying this is that I am just (= am exactly, and

[FRIAM] Grumble- NM's crappy internet

2016-02-20 Thread Gillian Densmore
Trying to back up computer. Wich is frankly painful to do over DSL. And that is exactly where this is coming from- Where is my CHEAP and FAST internet? Why do I have to pick between DSL (can afford) or Cox the self named ISP (can't afford)? Where is the fiber to the home? I am having a hard

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy

2016-02-20 Thread Jochen Fromm
Interesting. I like this definition that intimacy is defined in terms of subjectivity, i.e., the sharing of one's (most private) subjective experiences with another. Yes, there is a relationship between initimacy, privacy and subjectivity. The more private details we share with someone, the

Re: [FRIAM] Subjectivity and intimacy

2016-02-20 Thread John Kennison
I think Russ is raising an important point. It seems that Nick is saying that consciousness is something that is external. But, assuming we accept that view, some of a person's consciousness may be out there to only a small group of close friends. Could this be what is called intimate