Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-22 Thread Nick Thompson
Frank, I suspect that “actual” causation is just the hypostization of statistical causation. But we’ll see. I look forward to talking about the models. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-22 Thread Frank Wimberly
Nick, They are not beyond your ability to understand. I am happy to explain as much as you like. Frank Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Nov 22, 2017 10:10 PM, "Nick Thompson" wrote: > Hi Frank, > > > > Please forgive me for not being adequately responsive. I have looked at > some of t

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-22 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi Frank, Please forgive me for not being adequately responsive. I have looked at some of the sources you have mentioned and they are beyond my ability to understand. So, I am dependent on you (or others) to explain to me how those models work. Now, I realize that this perhaps brings us

[FRIAM] research on issues of the day

2017-11-22 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi, Everybody, I asked a local blogger/organizer whom I greatly admire if I could help in any way, and (to my surprise) he responded as follows: You indicated that you had an impulse to offer to help but felt that not being from here was a disability. But there are lots of ways in which

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-22 Thread Frank Wimberly
Nick, Whenever I say this it doesn't seem to register. Pearl, Glymour, Spirtes, et al have put statistical causal reasoning on a firm foundation. This involves learning causal models from observational rather that experimental data, including data from the past. Also remember the distinction be

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-22 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi, Eric, Well, I would like to say that my personal version of the Pragmatic Maxim: Consider what possible experimental effects the invocation of your conception has; those effects are the entire meaning of your conception. … means that the causality makes reference to experiments or

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-22 Thread Carl Tollander
One of the recurring conundrums of teaching. Finger pointing at the moon On Nov 22, 2017 14:32, "Eric Charles" wrote: > "Is there any way to put those two things together: the abduction thing > and the misattribution thing? " > > I would head in a different direction. The question is abou

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-22 Thread Eric Charles
"Is there any way to put those two things together: the abduction thing and the misattribution thing? " I would head in a different direction. The question is about, how one does the attribution; the answer is, most people do it poorly. In a large part, the history of scientific *method *is a his

[FRIAM] Fwd: Re: [March for Science] URGENT: fellow graduate students and allies: I...

2017-11-22 Thread Tom Johnson
This is a legit need. TJ -- Forwarded message -- From: "Andrew Cook" Date: Nov 22, 2017 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [March for Science] URGENT: fellow graduate students and allies: I... To: "March for Science" Cc: Andrew Cook commented on Samantha De Abreu's post in March for Science