Re: [FRIAM] On old question

2018-10-25 Thread Nick Thompson
Thanks, Eric, Interesting. When I saw your message, I was excited because I thought you might comment on the role of serendipity in evolution. There are three ideas rattling around in my head right now chafing against one another: Serendipity

Re: [FRIAM] On old question

2018-10-25 Thread Nick Thompson
The book I ordered that was recommended by Marcus was on information theory as a mode of analysis for social sciences. So, I don't think it's particularly relevant to Rosen. But we'll see. It should be here by Monday. I will let you know. Rosen died in 1998. Life Itself seems to have

Re: [FRIAM] On old question

2018-10-25 Thread Eric Smith
> I am not at all sure where this leaves us with “natural programming.” As you > point out, my concept of natural may be complete at odds with yours. Mine > grows out of the following analogy: Artificial selection : natural selection > : : artificial design : natural design. If artificial

Re: [FRIAM] On old question

2018-10-25 Thread Marcus Daniels
“But serendipity by definition is a violation of design. The serendipitous structure is one that makes something happen without being designed to do so. Translating that into the CP domain, your problem is to write a program that somehow promotes serendipity given that the serendipity

Re: [FRIAM] On old question

2018-10-25 Thread John Kennison
Hi Nick, I'm thinking I should look at a newer book by Rosen and see if it seems. better than "Life Itself". Do you think that the book you ordered (I'm not certain what it was) would be good? Or, alternatively, what is the best recent book by Rosen? --John

Re: [FRIAM] On old question

2018-10-25 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi, David, Serendipity! Your letter struck me like a thunderbolt, because I had dedicated the morning to carefully rereading Rosen's first chapter. And for the first time, I think I got it! Rosen doesn't put it that way, but I think I want to say that his chapter is all about the

Re: [FRIAM] On old question

2018-10-25 Thread Prof David West
I would like to introduce a bit of a zig or zag into the conversation by bringing up something a bit far afield and then relating it back to the thread. In a direct message to Nick I mentioned that I was doing a workshop (January, in Amsterdam, at Domain-Driven Design Europe) on ‘Natural System

Re: [FRIAM] On old question

2018-10-25 Thread glen
On the contrary, the question can ONLY be answered by pointing at something. Your abstracted, essentialist, linguistic tendencies will fail us every time. I think I've mentioned Luc Steels' language games before. And you seem to be fond of semiotics. So why isn't the question best answered by