Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

Yup. That’s what he would say. What persuades you that a super competent computer can’t think? Can a dog think? How would a Martian convince you that it (he, she) can think? Nick Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University

Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

Maybe I missed something that makes this redundant but if a highschool student asked me what the *hard problem* is I would say: There appears to be no limit to how competent computers can be. They seem to be able to do just about anything that people think requires thought. But I am persuaded

Re: [FRIAM] Ranked Choice Voting app

Whatever voting technology is chosen, it needs to be open source, both software and hardware. On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 8:52 PM Jon Zingale wrote: > Cody, > > I'm inspired to contribute some thoughts to yours. I feel that > whatever *fix* is imagined for voting, we should be prepared to > adopt

Re: [FRIAM] Ranked Choice Voting app

Cody - > I think that ranked choice is the best bet to escape from the horrible > two party system. That being said there is not much insentive for the > GOP or the DNC to adopt what could be enable competition.  My friend > Greg once said both parties are basically just advertising firms, and > I

Re: [FRIAM] Ranked Choice Voting app

Cody, I'm inspired to contribute some thoughts to yours. I feel that whatever *fix* is imagined for voting, we should be prepared to adopt it for a long time. The process of testing out new voting schemes may take a few administrative cycles and may become vulnerable to manipulation or

Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

I thought this was a support group for recovering (or just self-indulgent) metaphorists... you mean it's not?   Why do I feel like I'm in a scene from "Fight Club"?   I guess that would make me more of an allegorist? > Is it? You people can't help yourselves. It's compulsive. You might want to >

Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

I don't think this gets us anywhere. My claim is that whatever motivates Nick's insistence that metaphor is important to thought *is* a member of the class represented by the hard problem. If you *also* insist that metaphor is important to thought, yet you reject the hard problem, then I would

Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

Glen, I'm running out of ideas where to go with this. I believe that I do understand the so-called "hard problem", but I reject it as based on faulty premises. Nick has routinely, over the two decades or so that I have known him, demonstrated a hard-headed inability to hold nimbly and work with

Re: [FRIAM] ill-conceived question

Dave and Ed Thanks for making me aware of the options. My plan is to stay in my present house until the end. This should be possible if I don't have a contagious final illness. Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, May 4, 2020,

Re: [FRIAM] Fwd: Thesis Proposal - Dylan Fitzpatrick - Today - Monday, May 4 at 9am - via Zoom

I would hope, in the proposal, something was said about unintended feature detection, e.g. https://www.newstatesman.com/science-tech/2020/04/how-biased-algorithms-perpetuate-inequality On 5/4/20 1:19 PM, George Duncan wrote: > Most appropriate topic  > > > -- Forwarded message

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Re: [FRIAM] Ranked Choice Voting app

Me and a friend were talking about a topic like this the other day. Their are a lot of issues with washington. One is it's gotten really stuck on point fingers. We came up with a rough geeky parallel to StarWars. lol people can probably guess where things are heading: Washing has decided to

Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

LOL On Mon, May 4, 2020 at 11:50 AM uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > Is it? You people can't help yourselves. It's compulsive. You might want > to get some help for that. > > On 5/4/20 10:47 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > Choosing one's rifle is so concrete. It makes me want to run out and > blow away a few

Re: [FRIAM] Ranked Choice Voting app

I think that ranked choice is the best bet to escape from the horrible two party system. That being said there is not much insentive for the GOP or the DNC to adopt what could be enable competition. My friend Greg once said both parties are basically just advertising firms, and I still believe

Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

Is it? You people can't help yourselves. It's compulsive. You might want to get some help for that. On 5/4/20 10:47 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > Choosing one's rifle is so concrete.  It makes me want to run out and blow > away a few cacti.  Oh, it's a metaphor! -- ☣ uǝlƃ .-. .- -. -.. --- --

Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

Choosing one's rifle is so concrete. It makes me want to run out and blow away a few cacti. Oh, it's a metaphor! --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, May 4, 2020, 11:44 AM uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > Hm. I can't quite parse this, but don't want

Re: [FRIAM] Warring Darwinians for Glen, Steve

Hm. I can't quite parse this, but don't want to ignore it. I'm not convinced that Chalmers' naturalistic dualism is at all different from Peirce's real/extant distinction. From that perspective, Chalmers' dualism and Nick's monism are irrelevant to whether or not Nick understands the hard

Re: [FRIAM] Ranked Choice Voting app

Well, the usual caveats apply. I really have no idea what I'm talking about. But that's never stopped me before. My intuition is given unlimited campaign funding (as free speech), really really long campaign seasons, and influence ops (ala Russia), 1st past the post 2 party systems foment

Re: [FRIAM] ill-conceived question

Most elder facilities do not require the huge buy in. In NM there are a large number of smaller facilities that can house up to ten people and are much less expensive. There are also larger ones that are pretty good that don’t have a buy in and charge less than 6K/month although are still out

Re: [FRIAM] Ranked Choice Voting app

glen - > https://rankit.vote/ > thanks for bringing the topic up again.   I know you have made (mildly? obliquely?) disparaging comments about ranked-choice voting before.   Rather than my trying to summarize (or impute) your real intention, maybe you could comment on how you think ranked choice

[FRIAM] Ranked Choice Voting app

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Re: [FRIAM] ill-conceived question

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Re: [FRIAM] ill-conceived question

Frank, When looking for a facility for my mother, I found a lot of the 200K / 6K per month facilities, but more than 3/4 of the facilities that exist are subsidized and they simply take between 40 and 80% of the patient's social security and retirement income. I am pretty certain that the

Re: [FRIAM] ill-conceived question

Dave Maybe I lack adequate knowledge of the variety of care centers but the ones I know charge something like $200,000 admission and $6000 per month. Maybe you mean "somewhat poor OR already warehoused..." Frank --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa

Re: [FRIAM] Population regulation by mayhem

Nick, Last I looked, head was still on shoulders. I took your comment as just another caution with regard my tendency to make casual generalizations / over simplifications. (But now that I think about it, maybe I was a bee and you were a Murder Wasp? But no, we aren't in Washington state or

Re: [FRIAM] ill-conceived question

The lesson might be if you are willing to lose the old people who are somewhat poor and already warehoused in overcrowded care facilities you don't have to lock down. On Sun, May 3, 2020, at 11:24 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > Sounds like the lesson is that if you're willing to lose old people