Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

Decoder ring for the non-software dorks: fsck is an old program used in Unix systems for checking that the filesystem is sound. If one has a hangover and is trying to start the day, one would expect to be fscking. The meaning of "What the fsck?" is similar to the other spelling, it suggests

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

Exactly. This word, used as pejorative by Dave and a badge of honor by others, "liberal", is as vague as "love is like a red, red, rose". It's fscking nonsense. Liberal, especially "classical liberal", means money. Money is free, but anything unrelated to money can be arbitrarily restricted or f

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

Sure, and starting with the definitions asserted by the Economist. From: Friam On Behalf Of thompnicks...@gmail.com Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2021 2:45 PM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group' Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas M I don’t really have anything to say. I

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M I don’t really have anything to say. I just thought the sweeping generalizations were getting a bit rich. n Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

If you have another take on the topic, do fire away.. On Sep 2, 2021, at 1:50 PM, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote:  I do wonder what the hell you guys are talking about. I would guess that more than half the people on this list are liberals of some stripe. Are you talking about us? Do we ever

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

I do wonder what the hell you guys are talking about. I would guess that more than half the people on this list are liberals of some stripe. Are you talking about us? Do we ever get a say in the matter? N Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

Deplatforming is one manifestation of By Any Means Necessary. And I am all for that for suitable targets like DJT and people that spread disinformation about public health. But ideological purity, say taking down people like Al Franken is not helpful. The willingness to play dirty is a diffe

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

What do you mean!? I AM Babble On. n Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2021 3:28 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Gro

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

Once one believes the other side only lies, then the guiding principle becomes By Any Means Necessary.. Sent from my iPhone On Sep 2, 2021, at 12:13 PM, Jon Zingale wrote:  "Any man can be Babylon, in times like these." - Burning Spear - . -..-. . -. -.. -..-. .. ... -..-. . .-. . F

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Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

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Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

Yeah. That Renee' has accepted a King Buffalo show, a psych-stoner rock band, as a birthday present this year demonstrates that she's aligned with whatever will be, will be. I can't get her to like brass bands or ambient doom, though. And neither of us will ever like Sad Boy music. We're too old

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

Glen, I think perhaps the difference between us is in our choice of women. I believe in Shirley but you believe in Kay Sera. N Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ?>$ Sent: Thursday, September

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

Glen, … richest amongst us will always be able to pollute everything, toss cars into space, shit on Mt. Everest No. I can’t get over that. Nor will I try. Deal-breaker. N Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

It didn't seem like you to be implying that sort of thing, which is why I phrased it in terms of what I am used to seeing (rather than ascribing such motives to you). Thanks for the clarification! On Thu, Sep 2, 2021 at 12:56 PM uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > Sorry. I didn't mean to imply that I'm confid

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

Exactly! I suppose it could be Dunning-Kruger, right? Because Deutsch is cognitively endowed, he over-estimates the cognitive endowment of those around him ... thinking that others are good faith, and actually work to develop stances and arguments. But a lot of us don't. We may try. And we may t

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

"episodic personality". MM. New idea, to me. n Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of Marcus Daniels Sent: Thursday, September 2, 2021 11:05 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Gr

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

Thanks, Glen, Geez, there's nothing you can't do well, is there? Even reflective essay writing. Be careful with that "pity". Dave and I and your father may in fact be fighting for the truth of some enduring principle of which the rest of you have lost sight. Rage, rage, raging against t

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

Eric This seems a wonderful example of abduction gone awry.This seems inevitable since we seem to have so few rules distinguishing good and bad abduction. n Nick Thompson thompnicks...@gmail.com https

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< Where does: Making it harder for disabled people to access hot springs on public land fall on that spectrum? > If there is a public consensus to provide recreational access to public lands, I believe that would be the domain of the Department of the Interior, USDA, and National Park Service.

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

Sorry. I didn't mean to imply that I'm confident in the concept of progression. I'm not, as my rants against concepts like the singularity and risks of fascism in the US *should* indicate. I don't think anyone's better off, despite the empty rhetoric of Pinker et al. But I do believe in dynamis

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

I think of quantum error correction, which aims to isolate the consequences of errors and correct them with exact perfectly-calibrated interventions. This is in contrast to U.S. politics where people don't know what is wrong, advocate clumsy interventions, and just generally screw everything u

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

I'm interested in what's behind that "obsolete" and "left behind" talk. Usually I see that kind of language in a Progressive context, where it is used to indicate that things are moving in The Right Direction, and that they are Better Now than they were before, and that the people hurting and/or co

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

I suppose. But what if Strawson's episodic/diachronic is empirically wrong? What if we're all diachronic (narrative, even) to an overwhelming extent? That implies some memory-deep (perhaps still mostly ontogenic) structure that might only be reprogrammed with surgery, drugs, implants, trauma, et

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

A potential benefit of the episodic personality type is the ability to grieve failures and move on. > On Sep 2, 2021, at 7:50 AM, uǝlƃ ☤>$ wrote: > > Well, I do feel pity for Dave and the obsolete people/modes being left > behind. Nostalgia is difficult. On his deathbed, with so much time to

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

Well, I do feel pity for Dave and the obsolete people/modes being left behind. Nostalgia is difficult. On his deathbed, with so much time to sit and think about dying, my dad finally admitted that his "type A personality" was an artifact of the circumstances within which he was reared ('30s). An

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has been out and on parole, probably off by now. Living on his estate in seclusion. not been in the news at all. On Wed, Sep 1, 2021, at 6:21 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > Honors at Highlands: sounds like Manny Aragon. Is he out of jail yet? > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, >

Re: [FRIAM] Liberal dilemmas

The signal to the welfare rancher is “Find a new line of work and quit your whining.” On Sep 2, 2021, at 7:05 AM, Eric Charles wrote:  "The fact that you agree with the policies and actions does not mitigate the harm caused." This seems to be a recurring theme in conversations I am having re

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"The fact that you agree with the policies and actions does not mitigate the harm caused." This seems to be a recurring theme in conversations I am having recently, in several venues. I make a factual claim about damages caused by a policy/action/decision. Someone objects to the factual claim beca

Re: [FRIAM] aversive learning

Yes, probably among the cleanest of syntaxes. I like it. To see it used more and better would be nice. Logic makes the connections that can be made by it. (To say it better, which I think will relieve Glen of having to do it just to clear the irritation, _any given logic_ makes the connection