[FRIAM] ChatGPT and Unamuno

Me: Do you know philosopher Miguel de Unamuno?ChatGPT: Yes, Miguel de Unamuno (1864-1936) was a Spanish philosopher, writer, and poet, and is considered one of the most important Spanish intellectuals of the 20th century. He is best known for his work on existentialism and his emphasis on the im

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just for grins I tried asking chatgpt to make a guess where Atlantis was. it went in circles and wouldn't even hazard a guess. Though, I thought one of the more likely inspirations came from a mixture of Minoa,Crete, and ancient spain. Though plato puts even me to shame as a world class BSer. On

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FWIW when I asked ChatGPT about a fundraiser/just good fun called "Karoling with a Klingon." I have hosted for many years up to covid. It got the part about singing in Klingon and that it was a regular thing dead on. But where it went off the rails a bit was claiming it was a record. That is unless

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My head is too fuzzy right now (inside as well as out) to conjure the details, but when Descartes launched I think I knew some of the LANL crew from the Visual Cortex Modeling efforts (LANL and NM Institute) and believe that the intellectual/algorithmic legacy included the GENIE

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I'm surprised that Nick didn't get an office at Descartes, too. -- rec -- On Tue, Feb 21, 2023 at 2:29 PM Frank Wimberly wrote: > I am glad that ChatGPT ha promoted me to be CTO of Descartes Labs because > my motto is, "I think therefore I am." > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo Feliz,

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I'd say ChatGPT knows FriAM at least as well as Dr. Strangelove does ( though he's been pretty easy on us the last few years ). I found myself trying to parse bits of ChatGPT's response. To begin, not only do I not know of any project or effort at SFI entitl

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:-) There is an article from Terrence Sejnowski that argues what appears to be intelligence in LLMs may in fact be a mirror that reflects the intelligence of the interviewer.https://arxiv.org/abs/2207.14382Similar to Herbert Simon who said in "The Sciences of the Artificial": "An ant, viewed as

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories

The Martians would be experiencing the animals without the lens of human categories. I guess the question is, Would they even come up with the category of experience. I think they would because, as Nicholas Thompson said in his excellent article in WIRED magazine, every biological system respond

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Excellent! I appreciate your clarification as to why it might be useful to explore. I will do so. I'm still a bit confused as to why you mentioned it in the context of me claiming that "the bot" (e.g. ChatGPT) has a body. I think I was ignoring that bit of context entirely...   however "all

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_Bullshit#Lying_and_bullshit On 2/21/23 13:20, thompnicks...@gmail.com wrote: Stunning!  How do you know if ChatCBT is lying; it’s steely lips are moving. Nick *From:* Friam *On Behalf Of *Jochen Fromm *Sent:* Tuesday, February 21, 2023 1:23 PM *To:* The Friday

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I am glad that ChatGPT ha promoted me to be CTO of Descartes Labs because my motto is, "I think therefore I am." --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Feb 21, 2023, 2:16 PM Marcus Daniels wrote: > This actually sounds useful: https://

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Stunning! How do you know if ChatCBT is lying; it’s steely lips are moving. Nick From: Friam On Behalf Of Jochen Fromm Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2023 1:23 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: [FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM Me: Do you know the FRIAM group

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This actually sounds useful: https://lnkd.in/eJRBs_nZ On Feb 21, 2023, at 12:25 PM, Jochen Fromm wrote:  Me: Do you know the FRIAM group in Santa Fe? ChatGPT: Yes, I'm aware of the FRIAM group in Santa Fe. FRIAM (Focusing Research on Infinite Automated Models) is a research group located at

[FRIAM] ChatGPT knows FRIAM

Me: Do you know the FRIAM group in Santa Fe?ChatGPT: Yes, I'm aware of the FRIAM group in Santa Fe. FRIAM (Focusing Research on Infinite Automated Models) is a research group located at the Santa Fe Institute, a renowned research center dedicated to the study of complex systems. FRIAM is a group

Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories

I would be astonished if Dave just meant a different point of view. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2023 11:33 AM To: friam@redfish.com Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Nick's Categories If by "dualism", you mean Cartesianism, I agree. Hence, referring

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If by "dualism", you mean Cartesianism, I agree. Hence, referring to "mental stuff" isn't useful, especially in models of panpsychism. But if by "dualism", you mean duals in the complementarity sense, then I'm not so sure. It can be convenient to work in one domain, then switch to its dual when

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The same machine learning can display one behavior after some number of training iterations and others after more.A generative/probabilistic system can display many behaviors from the same training data. Injecting some noise into the billions of summations would give something like halluci

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My 1st reaction was "none" - there's no evidence that differing substrates is insufficient to account for differing mental things. That's "supervenience", right? However, there might be both robustness and polyphenism in the map between phenomena like "mental things" and generators like "substr

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Just there are computer codes that can only run on some architectures, there are physical phenomena that can only be realized on certain substrates. What evidence is there that something other than differing substrates are needed to explain mental things? Sent from my iPhone > On Feb 21, 202

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If, as EricS has argued, "mental stuff" is an equivalence class, then it may not be very different from "generalized across different architectures". But if "mental stuff" is disjoint from "architecture stuff", then it cannot be "generalized across different architectures" because a) that implie

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Sorry, I probably glossed over something. How is the "mental" any different from a computer program or a set of neural net edge weights generalized to different (analog) architectures. -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of glen Sent: Tuesday, February 21, 2023 9:26 AM To: friam@

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Excellent! I appreciate your clarification as to why it might be useful to explore. I will do so. I'm still a bit confused as to why you mentioned it in the context of me claiming that "the bot" (e.g. ChatGPT) has a body. Or the context of claiming some forms of panpsychism are monist. Maybe I'

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Good question. Sorry if I made it seem like using "mental" as a name for an equivalence class is bad. I don't intend to say it's bad. I do intend to assert that most people (in my experience) who use the term do mean to distinguish between mind and body. And that would be OK *if* they gave some

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Glen - Attempting a balance between succinctness and completeness/contextualization/relevance I offer the following excerpt from Rączaszek‑Leonardi's essay about 3 pages into the 7-page work: /One important implication of the proposed scenario for the emergence of autogen is that in the

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Steve, Deacon's three dynamics in your image directly map to Stu's three processes around constraint processes for Autonomous Agents (living system) in Investigations (2000). - detect gradients - construct constraints to extract work from gradients - do work to maintain those constraints Here's a

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Glen - FWIW,  I'm still chewing on your assertions of 5 months ago which referenced Christian List's "Levels" and the points he made (and you reinforced) on Indexicality and first/third person descriptions  *because* they tie in to my own twisty turny

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> On Feb 20, 2023, at 10:46 AM, glen wrote: > > By even using the phrases "mental stuff" or "mental life", *you* are > implicitly asserting there are 2 things: mental and non-mental. There is no > such difference, in my opinion. Now, while I am often a moron, I don't deny > that people *thin

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want to acknowledge Glen’s formulation here, too, which is helpful and seems both reasonable to the point, and specific enough to explain why Mind and not just-any essentialism. It’s interesting: I know just what people mean when they talk this way about computing’s universality (so, like Seth

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Thank you Dave, It’s helpful to have this comparative analysis, of what different doctrinal streams of thought consider central to their system and the worldview (or world-experience) it enables in the participants in that system. A couple of weeks ago, there was a seminar in Princeton, https