Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-09 Thread Barry MacKichan
FWIW, I like Mercurial as a version control system. It can be entirely local or distributed, but there is no unique master repository. The commands are very similar to Git. Whenever I have something that benefits from saving previous versions, I create a Mercurial repository in the directory,

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-09 Thread Pamela McCorduck
Ed, thanks for that. I've got a lot of old VHS news programs, etc., of me that I'd like to transfer to DVD. It didn't occur to me it could be done so cheaply. Pamela On Apr 8, 2013, at 10:43 PM, Edward Angel an...@cs.unm.edu wrote: Unable to find a VHS player to buy, I bought a refurbished

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-09 Thread glen e. p. ropella
One more plug, then I'll crawl back into my hole. SparkleShare http://sparkleshare.org/ uses Git as its storage mechanism. You can revert to previous versions of files via the normal Git tools. It also consolidates several repositories on different hosts, allowing private clouds as well as

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-09 Thread Douglas Roberts
I've always said that. Ask anybody, they'll tell you. They'll say, that Roberts guy is *always* saying,* it is unfortunate that enthymeme resolution is treated as a kind of presumptive meaning determination. * It fact, it's been pointed out to that I say this so often, it's almost become my

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-09 Thread Steve Smith
Doug - I think you are reaching here... I've always said that. Ask anybody, they'll tell you. They'll say, that Roberts guy is /*always*/ saying,/ it is unfortunate that enthymeme resolution is treated as a kind of presumptive meaning determination. / It fact, it's been pointed out to that

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Barry MacKichan
I have one data point. One of our Macs near Seattle had a drive fail, so I had an employee take it to an Apple store. The 'genius' was very happy when he saw the Time Machine, and, I think, nothing was lost. About the depth of cloud backups: I now use Arq on the Mac. The backups are in

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Steve Smith
My $.02 on Time Machine. I bought a 2TB time machine about 4? years ago and set up two MB Pro's with it. Other than a little irritation from accidental reboots on the device (connected to the same power strip as my flakey motorola internet service, yielding a reboot via powerstrip toggle

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Douglas Roberts
Just curious why you Mac guys are buying backup systems, when there is a perfectly good way to use rsync. Here's my nightly backup script, which currently sends my nightly incrementals to a cheap 3TB USB3 external drive: #!/bin/bash # Just in case they are not mounted /bin/mount /mnt/3TB

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Douglas Roberts wrote at 04/08/2013 11:26 AM: Just curious why you Mac guys are buying backup systems, when there is a perfectly good way to use rsync. Here's my nightly backup script, which currently sends my nightly incrementals to a cheap 3TB USB3 external drive: The cloud solves the

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Steve Smith
Doug! Just curious why you Mac guys are buying backup systems, when there is a perfectly good way to use rsync. Here's my nightly backup script, which currently sends my nightly incrementals to a cheap 3TB USB3 external drive: I'ts the glitzy interface! Have you ever *SEEN* it? You feel

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Barry MacKichan
1. Is your 3TB drive off-site? Offsite backup is the problem to be solved, IMHO. 2. I imagine that the probability that your 3TB drive will be alive and functional in a year is less than 99.9% (not that I fully believe Amazon's claims, but they do monitor their disks and move the data

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Douglas Roberts
Did I fail to mention that I keep backups of my backups? I did, didn't I... I am not paranoid, the odds *are* out to get you. --Doug On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Barry MacKichan barry.mackic...@mackichan.com wrote: 1. Is your 3TB drive off-site? Offsite backup is the problem to be

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Barry MacKichan
No, the odds have gotten me. I am assuming that rsync overwrites past history, so it saves less than a time machine. Is that correct? On Apr 8, 2013, at 1:44 PM, Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net wrote: Did I fail to mention that I keep backups of my backups? I did, didn't I... I am not

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Steve Smith
Doug - Apropos of your *original* point/question A Time Machine (unless it is offsite) doesn't solve the offsite problem. The overwrite problem doesn't solve *my* main problem which is NOT catastrophic failure but operator error... perhaps one of the options you mention in rsync, in

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Edward Angel
In addition to the other reasons for offsite backup, let me add break-ins. Mush more likely than a fire. Within two minutes your computers can all be gone. I doubt any statistics on disk failures. I've had two backup disks and an internal disk fail in the last year. Two of the failures were on

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 12:49:47PM -0600, Steve Smith wrote: Doug! Just curious why you Mac guys are buying backup systems, when there is a perfectly good way to use rsync. Here's my nightly backup script, which currently sends my nightly incrementals to a cheap 3TB USB3 external drive:

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Gary Schiltz
As Russell and others have pointed out, TM provides a hybrid of version control and backup. I wonder if it would be feasible to use SVN to manage an entire operating system? You could in essence do hourly commits of '/' with periodic pruning, but I'm sure it wouldn't be as simple as that. Would

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Steve Smith
Gary- As Russell and others have pointed out, TM provides a hybrid of version control and backup. I wonder if it would be feasible to use SVN to manage an entire operating system? You could in essence do hourly commits of '/' with periodic pruning, but I'm sure it wouldn't be as simple as

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Steve Smith
On 4/8/13 5:48 PM, Russell Standish wrote: Russell- On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 12:49:47PM -0600, Steve Smith wrote: A point and click later and we are back to the earlier state, and if I'm wrong, another point and click and we are at another state, and rsync doesn't solve this particular

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 06:50:38PM -0600, Steve Smith wrote: On 4/8/13 5:48 PM, Russell Standish wrote: Russell- Time Machine would be nice (provided I could develop trust of it). Unfortunately, I'm Linux, not Mac, so its not an option :). If someone implements a transparent copy on write

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Steve Smith
Russell - with the exception of the GBs of family photos and videos. I should do something about those, I suppose. Of course at this stage, I have no plans on digitising the mound of hardcopy photos that existed prior to us getting a digital camera circa 2005, so there's still a lot of history

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Russell Standish
On Mon, Apr 08, 2013 at 07:40:48PM -0600, Steve Smith wrote: I saw recently on one of my rare visits to either WalMart or Walgreens someone sitting at a console almost like a video-game machine or a do-it-yourself blood-pressure kiosk, scanning photographs onto (I assume) CD. There was a slot

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Edward Angel
Unable to find a VHS player to buy, I bought a refurbished VHS/DVD recorder from Best Buy for about $100 which works fine for transferring VHS to DVD. Ed __ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS Lab) Professor Emeritus of Computer Science,

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Tom Johnson
I, too, am paying for a large Dropbox account, but here are a couple things I don't like about it. 1. I use it to share the development of a lot of projects. But if one of the team members deletes a file, it is deleted for all of us. Hey, let me manange MY file system, please. 2.

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-08 Thread Gary Schiltz
I can't imagine doing any kind of work that evolves over time (even a few days' time) without using some kind of revision control system. I don't know how much people use git for purposes other than software, but it seems like a reasonable means of backing up and tracking revisions of any type

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-06 Thread Russ Abbott
All the plans I use are free. They range from 2GB to (I think) 25 GB for Microsoft! Everything in the designated directories are backed up automatically. *-- Russ Abbott* *_* *** Professor, Computer Science* * California State University, Los

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-06 Thread Edward Angel
If someone would just up the free storage to 150 GB. Actually what I will switch to at some point is backing up my Time Machine disks, The problem with all the free and pay cloud backups is they only have the latest copy of a file. Ed __ Ed Angel Founding Director, Art, Research,

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-06 Thread Robert J. Cordingley
So has anyone successfully restored an entire system from the Cloud (or a Time Machine come to think of it)? How easy was it? Any statistics on success rate? Some TM instructions require 'your original Mac OS 10.5 Leopard DVD' but I upgraded to Mountain Lion on line and have no

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-06 Thread Gary Schiltz
I dropped my previous MacBook air once and crashed the hard drive. Fortunately, I had a Time Machine backup from only an hour before. I was either on Snow Leopard or Lion, don't remember which. It went without a hitch and took around three hours to restore the newly installed 500 GB drive with

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-04 Thread Owen Densmore
On Wed, Apr 3, 2013 at 4:05 PM, Edward Angel an...@cs.unm.edu wrote: I'm pretty simplistic about it and use mozy. My computers are backed up automatically and I don't spend any time thinking about it. The two times there was a failure of their data base on my machine getting corrupted, they

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-04 Thread Edward Angel
You can specify directories or back up the whole disk. Being a little cheap and having 3 computers on my account, I don't back up the OS or some aps that are easy to reload. You pay by the how much space you use for up to three computers on the basic plan. I think carbonite is about the same.

[FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-03 Thread Russ Abbott
Matthew Yglasias has a piecehttp://www.slate.com/blogs/moneybox/2013/04/03/dropbox_vs_amazon_nobody_can_compete_with_jeff_bezos.html?wpisrc=newsletter_myslate on Slate about Amazon's new cloud storage service and how it's likely to kill Dropbox. Naturally I signed up. But I already have a Dropbox

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-03 Thread Gary Schiltz
I haven't thought that much about it, but it just occurred to me that it might be fun to build a distributed, RAID-inspired el cheapo cloud storage system. Sign up for about ten services each offering 5 GB of free storage, and think of each as a member of a RAID system, and stripe blocks of

Re: [FRIAM] Cloud storage

2013-04-03 Thread Edward Angel
I'm pretty simplistic about it and use mozy. My computers are backed up automatically and I don't spend any time thinking about it. The two times there was a failure of their data base on my machine getting corrupted, they were able to recover everything quickly. When we returned to NM after