Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-23 Thread Eric Charles
sychology and Biology >> >> Clark University >> >> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank >> Wimberly >> *Sent:* Wednesday, November 22, 201

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-23 Thread Eric Charles
mberly > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 22, 2017 10:13 PM > > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation > > > > Nick, > > > > They are not beyond your ability to understand. I

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-22 Thread Nick Thompson
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation Nick, They are not beyond your ability to understand. I am happy to explain as much as you like. Frank Frank Wimberly Phone (505) 670-9918 On Nov 22, 2017 10:10 PM, "Nick Thompson" <nickthomp...@earthlink.net <mailto:nickthomp...

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-22 Thread Frank Wimberly
and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Frank > Wimberly > *Sent:* Wednesday, November 22, 2017 9:55 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Com

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-22 Thread Nick Thompson
dfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation Nick, Whenever I say this it doesn't seem to register. Pearl, Glymour, Spirtes, et al have put statistical causal reasoning on a firm foundation. This involves learning causal models from observational rather that experimental data, includi

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-22 Thread Frank Wimberly
olas S. Thompson > > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > > Clark University > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Carl > Tollander > *Sent:* Wednesday,

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-22 Thread Nick Thompson
http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Carl Tollander Sent: Wednesday, November 22, 2017 7:10 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Downward causa

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-22 Thread Carl Tollander
One of the recurring conundrums of teaching. Finger pointing at the moon On Nov 22, 2017 14:32, "Eric Charles" wrote: > "Is there any way to put those two things together: the abduction thing > and the misattribution thing? " > > I would head in a

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-22 Thread Eric Charles
"Is there any way to put those two things together: the abduction thing and the misattribution thing? " I would head in a different direction. The question is about, how one does the attribution; the answer is, most people do it poorly. In a large part, the history of scientific *method *is a

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-21 Thread Nick Thompson
Hi, Eric, Thank you, Eric. OF COURSE, that is what I should have said. Thank you for saying it so excellently. Peirce did in fact see causal attribution as a form of abduction. I would hope I would have thought to say it myself, if I wasn’t so distracted by the “counter-factual”

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-19 Thread Frank Wimberly
tp://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Roger > Critchlow > *Sent:* Sunday, November 19, 2017 10:31 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-19 Thread Nick Thompson
Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow Sent: Sunday, November 19, 2017 10:31 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation Nick -- Sure, bean plants growing in time lapse is an excel

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-19 Thread Roger Critchlow
> Critchlow > *Sent:* Sunday, November 19, 2017 3:01 AM > > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation > > > > I looked at the abstract and thought, of course, if you "coarse

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-19 Thread Nick Thompson
7 3:01 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation I looked at the abstract and thought, of course, if you "coarse grain" the visual field, then you synthesize objects out of groups of pixels that co

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-19 Thread Roger Critchlow
; > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Roger > Critchlow > *Sent:* Saturday, November 18, 2017 6:15 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation > > > > Nic

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-18 Thread Nick Thompson
son/naturaldesigns/> http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Roger Critchlow Sent: Saturday, November 18, 2017 6:15 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRI

Re: [FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-18 Thread Roger Critchlow
Nice. -- rec -- On Sat, Nov 18, 2017 at 12:29 PM, Carl Tollander wrote: > Of interest, also the whole issue... http://rsta. > royalsocietypublishing.org/content/375/2109/20160338 > > C > > > > FRIAM Applied

[FRIAM] Downward causation

2017-11-18 Thread Carl Tollander
Of interest, also the whole issue... http://rsta.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/375/2109/20160338 C FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College to unsubscribe