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Marcus wrote:
> Is there reason to believe that Musk is interested in a libertarian-utopian
> vision?
His acutely evident excess narcissistic hubris?
I'm sure it is yet another example of my "imputation" tendency. I "impute&quo
f you who don't live with those loud shouting
matches erupting in your head/heart.
>
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hat's like a Noah's Ark type
argument that would suggest that people are more interchangeable. There's no
need to keep the copies.
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I don't know if we are converging in our acceptance/dismissal of "the
myth of individuality" or not, but for the moment I am hallucinating
convergence.
I think the distinction we are arriving at *might* be that *every
snowflake is unique* but that this is true in the very same way that
*every
ehalf Of u?l? ???
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Aha! Yeah, we probably do share it. But 2 points in space can be in the same
state *without* having a common driver. I.e. inter-subjectivity does not imply
communication
Aha! Yeah, we probably do share it. But 2 points in space can be in the same
state *without* having a common driver. I.e. inter-subjectivity does not imply
communication. En garde! So you may share the same sentiment with an alien
consciousness near Sirius. And, although it sounds like I'm just
Glen -
I think I *share* the sentiment you present here, though through other
mechanisms (than psi) to dissolve the (illusory/delusional) boundaries
between self/other or more aptly self/whole. You are apparently
more-better at (or at least more committed to your version of) this than
I am
Well, if psychedelics were fully legal, I'd use them openly ... if that's what
you're asking. But my argument that individuals are an approximating
simplification threads almost every thought I have that's even slightly related
to plectics.
E.g. In about an hour, I'll be on a call discussing
Absolutely. I couldn't call myself contrarian with a straight face if I didn't
enact my belief that adversarial systems can find solutions others can't. Even
in the case where we Adversaries don't *need* the niches we create, there are
most likely others, who aren't adversarial, just
I think you characterize this well:
glen> Yes, therein lies the rub, the ever-present dissonance between
objectives at one scale and objectives at another scale.
I (like to believe that I) live in a multi-scale multi-verse, meaning
that when I "try real hard" or "meditate very effectively" I can
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Yes, therein lies the rub, the ever-present dissonance between objectives at
one scale and objectives at another scale. As a small
Yes, therein lies the rub, the ever-present dissonance between objectives at
one scale and objectives at another scale. As a small business owner, my
experience with governments is nothing but pain, much like trying to get my
old, fat body out into the freezing air to lift plates of literally
One thing that strikes me about the three stages of society outlined in
the thesis (sovereign, disciplinary, control) is that they exist as a
chain of generalizations. A prototype of each preceding term is included
in the latter, paralleling what an algebraist might call exact, each
earlier stage
/glen sed:
> Well, again, if you claim the NIH "didn't work", then the burden's on you to
> say what "work" means. It would be reasonable to claim that the NIH's purpose
> is to save US lives. (I don't think that's true. But it would be reasonable
> to say such a thing.) And since so many died
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I agree. I haven't had a chance to look into the work Chris cited. But my guess
is that institutions require churn, up and down the orders, from d
I agree. I haven't had a chance to look into the work Chris cited. But my guess
is that institutions require churn, up and down the orders, from dying cells in
the body to redaction of no-longer-appropriate (living document
unconstitutional) laws. I'd expect a surviving bureaucracy to
Glen writes:
< And it's important to recognize the Executive branch's role in the
bureaucracy. Was the Obama CDC the same as the Trump CDC? If not, which
bureaucracy failed? And why? >
Someone like Redfield that has risen to a position of national significance
ought to be employable. And
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That's a bold assertion. I'd argue that any surviving bureaucracy works *most*
of the time, almost by definition. Of course, *new* bureaucracies probably fail
most of the time. Then it would be impo
lying medicine, public health, and social services."
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Well, again, if you claim the NIH "didn't work", then the bur
Well, again, if you claim the NIH "didn't work", then the burden's on you to
say what "work" means. It would be reasonable to claim that the NIH's purpose
is to save US lives. (I don't think that's true. But it would be reasonable to
say such a thing.) And since so many died from COVID-19, the
edu/book/thickening-government/
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For example, in spite of the billions spent on the NIH we ha
For example, in spite of the billions spent on the NIH we had the fantastic
public health failure of COVID-19.
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That's
That's a bold assertion. I'd argue that any surviving bureaucracy works *most*
of the time, almost by definition. Of course, *new* bureaucracies probably fail
most of the time. Then it would be important to be able to talk about
bureaucratic novelty. E.g. the ACA (ObamaCare) was not a *new*
7:49 AM
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Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Future Generating Machines...
My first thought was: Who thinks this is dystopian? And why? It looks to me
like one of a) what's been happening for the entire history of the universe
and/or b) progress (!) what must happen in order for biological
On 3/28/21 2:07 PM, Marcus Daniels wrote:
>> "There is no need to fear or hope, but only to look for new weapons."
>>
>> Amen to that.
>>
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>> From: Friam On Behalf Of jon zingale
>> Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 12:16 PM
>&g
So, it didn't scratch your Sunday dystopian itch. How about that. Monday!
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> -Original Message-
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> A Sunday scratch for your dystopian itch.
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> Plastic Pills on Deleuze - Contro
"There is no need to fear or hope, but only to look for new weapons."
Amen to that.
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Sent: Sunday, March 28, 2021 12:16 PM
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A Sunday scratch for your
A Sunday scratch for your dystopian itch.
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