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On 10/29/13 2:50 PM, Russell Standish wrote: I gather Mavericks is not available for Snow leopard users? Two annoying things I've noticed: 1) X11 went away (back with Mountain Lion). Have to get XQuartz from a third party. 2) 2009 MacBook Pro is not recovering from suspended mode properly

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spotlight can find it. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 6:31 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > First thing is to find the AppStore. It's not visible anywhere on the > desktop or Applications folder. > > On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 05:56:28PM -0600, Owen Densmore wrote: > > I upgraded from Lion. My guess is that

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It’s been quite a while since I’ve used Snow Leopard, but under later OS X incantations, it’s under the Apple menu. A quick Google search shows that you need to be updated to 10.6.6 or later in order to have the App Store (I’m assuming you can update to 10.6.6 from an earlier 10.6 version by cho

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First thing is to find the AppStore. It's not visible anywhere on the desktop or Applications folder. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 05:56:28PM -0600, Owen Densmore wrote: > I upgraded from Lion. My guess is that if you see it on the AppStore, you > can upgrade. If not, there will be several posts on t

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Yup saw this in a news article: Net Applications' latest data showed that 93% of current Macs run last year's Mountain Lion, 2011's Lion or 2009's Snow Leopard, all eligible for the free upgrade to Mavericks. On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 5:56 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: > I upgraded from Lion. My gu

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I upgraded from Lion. My guess is that if you see it on the AppStore, you can upgrade. If not, there will be several posts on the web on how to do it! -- Owen On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 2:50 PM, Russell Standish wrote: > I gather Mavericks is not available for Snow leopard users? > > > On Tue

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Owen, somewhere within here is what Tim has to say about why Mavericks a free upgrade Grant On 10/29/13 1:41 PM, Owen Densmore wrote

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On 10/29/2013 02:25 PM, Steve Smith wrote: I'm wondering why VM compression hasn't caught on sooner? Has the physical memory curve kept ahead of it well enough, or is the compute-cost simply too high? Most people now have cores to waste, so why not have them do something useful? The reason

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> > Except for the very unfortunate codename "Mavericks" it sounds very > promising... supposedly the name came from a Surf Beach near Half Moon > Bay, possibly suggesting "a new wave" in OS... despite apparently being > very similar to Mountain Lion, maybe it *does* portend a "new wave". One

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I gather Mavericks is not available for Snow leopard users? It looks like a direct upgrade... but older OSX versions require upgrade to Snow Leapord first? http://www.apple.com/osx/how-to-upgrade/ On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 02:25:01PM -0600, Steve Smith wrote: Thanks to both Owen and Ma

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I gather Mavericks is not available for Snow leopard users? On Tue, Oct 29, 2013 at 02:25:01PM -0600, Steve Smith wrote: > Thanks to both Owen and Marcus for the good reports... While I've > never dreaded an OSX update like I have Winderz major releases, I > have always avoided being an early ad

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I jumped on board too, and have been happy. Since my hard drive was less than half full, I first created a new partition and installed Mavericks on it. Once I had convinced myself I liked it, I copied data and applications from the old partition to the new, leaving behind whatever cruft I felt I

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Thanks to both Owen and Marcus for the good reports... While I've never dreaded an OSX update like I have Winderz major releases, I have always avoided being an early adopter... I might just take the plunge. I'm wondering why VM compression hasn't caught on sooner? Has the physical memory

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Just converted to Mavericks and it seem great. And the upgrade was free .. not sure why. Steps: First - Clean obsolete kruft from computer. OmniDiskSweeper (free) is very useful. Also look at apps finding old and unused apps especially ones unlikely to run. Delete with AppZapper or similar .

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On 7/12/13, 4:08 PM, Steve Smith wrote: My performance problems were solved (pushed back) with 8MB of memory so I'm happy for the moment. I'm expecting that next time I feel like a HD upgrade (the one in it fails, my data hoarding and sloppy housekeeping fills it up, or I upgrade to a new machi

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Original email: "On Linux one can look at the swap device in /proc/diskstats and compare the swap device's counts with the update and get an estimate of writes per unit time." Perhaps non-obvious typo: update -> uptime (i.e. system uptime) --

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"I did not find the article you reference but did find some descriptions of SSD memory having lifetimes of order 100,000 to 1,000,000 writes which many claimed implied a lifetime of order 10 years." It's probably fine for most people who aren't running data-intensive apps. With swap to disk, a

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Marcus- When you posted the original point, I went and did some research because I had not thought much about MTBF of flash memory and SSDs before. I did not find the article you reference but did find some descriptions of SSD memory having lifetimes of order 100,000 to 1,000,000 writes whic

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On 7/6/13 10:45 AM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote: On 7/6/13 9:46 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: I then used it, hard! .. changing from app to app, to finder, etc and it was really snappy. Before it simply would have hit me with the beach-ball-of-death. This is seriously extraordinary. Now you have anoth

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On 7/6/13 9:46 AM, Owen Densmore wrote: I then used it, hard! .. changing from app to app, to finder, etc and it was really snappy. Before it simply would have hit me with the beach-ball-of-death. This is seriously extraordinary. Now you have another excuse for upgrading an otherwise usable la

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One thing that is easy to forget is that most modern OS use any "free" RAM for disk cache (aka buffers), so you will always look like you're using 100% RAM. What's really important is to look for processes in the D state under top, (which are doing I/O) and also the amount of swap actually being u

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On Jul 5, 2013, at 4:26 PM, Steve Smith wrote: > I have a copy of W7 to put on my PBpro and am sorting out how to manage that > now... Fusion, Parallels, WINE, BootCamp? Sounds like you are happy with > Fusion? I've been happy with Fusion since v2 (I'm at 5 now, and have paid for the upgra

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Gary - Spinning Watzits... yes, I presume (but don't know) what all that is about is anytime the Window Manager thinks some threshold for User Interaction has been exceeded it throws up a hypnotic spinning wheel (in place of the old tumbling hourglass?) to at least acknowledge that they know

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On Jul 5, 2013, at 3:57 PM, Steve Smith wrote: > Gary/Owen - > > Thanks for the quick response from both of you. > > I forgot about Purge... it seemed like such a kludge I guess I dropped it > from my memory soon after learning about it.My analytic approach to some > things has me trying

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Gary/Owen - Thanks for the quick response from both of you. I forgot about Purge... it seemed like such a kludge I guess I dropped it from my memory soon after learning about it.My analytic approach to some things has me trying to unearth root causes when a simple, practical relief is nea

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Forgot to mention that I'm on Mountain Lion, so no, it doesn't do any better :-( ;; Gary On Jul 5, 2013, at 3:45 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: > On my non-SSD mini, before the change to SSD, I often had the experience you > mention. Since then, no. But likely the behavior is still the same, just

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O n my non-SSD mini, before the change to SSD, I often had the experience you mention. Since then, no. But likely the behavior is still the same, just that the SSD manages it better. Before SSD, I had to run "purge" in a terminal to get the memory back. I'll try starting lots of apps and see wh

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Steve, I think your experience is in line with mine. My mid-2012 "retina" MBP (with an obscene 16GB of RAM) occasionally gets in a nearly zero free memory state. My only really big RAM user is VMWare Fusion running Windows 7 (I usually only give it 2GB of RAM, and it runs fine). By the time it g

[FRIAM] OSX Memory Management - Apple/Mac FanBois only

Owen ( and other OSX fanbois) - I'm guessing that a few others here will be interested in the technical details of this topic... I did not become interested in OSXs memory management until about 6 months ago when my PBPro with 4G running 10.6.x started throwing me the rainbow frisbee of dea