Re: [FRIAM] Picture of the Internet

2013-05-02 Thread glen
Steve Smith wrote at 05/01/2013 06:00 PM: This seems like another form of tragedy around the commons? I view all this the same way I view laws and selective enforcement by DAs and LEOs. Laws are there to provide options for the LEOs to selectively choose who to suppress. (As with our

Re: [FRIAM] Picture of the Internet

2013-05-02 Thread glen e. p. ropella
I think you answer your own questions, right? The reason for people's (false) expectations regarding computers like set top boxes or webcams is _because_ of your latter argument. If the goal is a clear security model, then when I install a webcam on my TV, I expect a clear security model, not

[FRIAM] Picture of the Internet

2013-05-01 Thread glen e p ropella
This Is the Most Detailed Picture of the Internet Ever (and Making it Was Very Illegal) http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/this-is-most-detailed-picture-internet-ever The resultant map isn't perfect, but it is beautiful. Based on the parameter's of the researcher's study, the map is already on its

Re: [FRIAM] Picture of the Internet

2013-05-01 Thread Steve Smith
Very Interesting in many dimensions (technical/social/...) here's what I believe to be the original paper. http://internetcensus2012.bitbucket.org/paper.html This Is the Most Detailed Picture of the Internet Ever (and Making it Was Very Illegal)

Re: [FRIAM] Picture of the Internet

2013-05-01 Thread Alfredo Covaleda Vélez
Me parece increíble que 420.000 usuarios de Linux sean tan descuidados y no le presten el mínimo de atención a la más básica medida de seguridad como es tener un password para ingresar al perfil. También es interesante ver el nivel de acceso de Linux en todo el mundo. 2013/5/1 glen e p ropella

Re: [FRIAM] Picture of the Internet

2013-05-01 Thread Steve Smith
On 5/1/13 12:22 PM, Alfredo Covaleda Vélez wrote: Me parece increíble que 420.000 usuarios de Linux sean tan descuidados y no le presten el mínimo de atención a la más básica medida de seguridad como es tener un password para ingresar al perfil. También es interesante ver el nivel de acceso

Re: [FRIAM] Picture of the Internet

2013-05-01 Thread Steve Smith
On 5/1/13 9:54 AM, glen e p ropella wrote: This Is the Most Detailed Picture of the Internet Ever (and Making it Was Very Illegal) http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/this-is-most-detailed-picture-internet-ever The resultant map isn't perfect, but it is beautiful. Based on the parameter's of the

Re: [FRIAM] Picture of the Internet

2013-05-01 Thread glen e p ropella
I can't help but wonder why we don't extend the virus (or infection) metaphor all the way out. The way viruses interact with our bodies is pretty !@#@$@ complex. I don't know of any naturally occurring viruses that are (purely) beneficial. But there are many that are, in some sense, neutral.

Re: [FRIAM] Picture of the Internet

2013-05-01 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - I can't help but wonder why we don't extend the virus (or infection) metaphor all the way out. The way viruses interact with our bodies is pretty !@#@$@ complex. I don't know of any naturally occurring viruses that are (purely) beneficial. But there are many that are, in some sense,

Re: [FRIAM] Picture of the Internet

2013-05-01 Thread glen e p ropella
On 05/01/2013 03:06 PM, Steve Smith wrote: You might have known her during your time at SFI? Last time I had an in-depth visit with her was maybe 2007 and I'm sure a great deal has happened since! It seemed like a lot was funded by DARPA at the time and therefore some of that wasn't being

Re: [FRIAM] Picture of the Internet

2013-05-01 Thread Steve Smith
In Berkeley ca 2005, if I felt sluggish (I mean my internet), I can imagine a more urban area being more problematic. I've heard that some ISPs include restrictions on wifi sharing in their terms of service agreements:

Re: [FRIAM] Picture of the Internet

2013-05-01 Thread Steve Smith
On 5/1/13 6:16 PM, glen e p ropella wrote: http://w2.eff.org/Infrastructure/Wireless_cellular_radio/wireless_friendly_isp_list.html Per my last question of how is a mesh network to get started, propogate, etc.? the list above *does* address this somewhat... You might have known her during

Re: [FRIAM] Picture of the Internet

2013-05-01 Thread Russell Standish
On Wed, May 01, 2013 at 07:00:12PM -0600, Steve Smith wrote: On the other hand, my experience with PacBell suggests these folks felt that may have felt they had no good options.PacBell required that I sign a 12 month agreement to get internet... even though I told them I only planned to

Re: [FRIAM] Picture of the Internet

2013-05-01 Thread Marcus G. Daniels
On 5/1/13 3:39 PM, glen e p ropella wrote: I would think we might extend the infection metaphor deeper and develop layers and sub-systems of different sorts of immunity against botnet, worm, and virus infections. But some of them, perhaps running BOINC or like this mapping botnet, could be