Re: [FRIAM] The Three Toed Sloth meets the Shoggoth

2023-06-28 Thread David Eric Smith
Yes, agreed fully on the overall picture of models versus the reality we understand is out there. On convexity, I guess I would put this into the category of error (Bhuddist) but not sin (Christian). The convex models are the simplest category. Everything else that isn’t convex occupies a big

Re: [FRIAM] The Three Toed Sloth meets the Shoggoth

2023-06-26 Thread glen
Being completely ignorant of everything mentioned, here, I can't help but wonder whether there is a path from not-even-wrong to schema-for-the-data. Going back to EricS' prior comment regarding when a (time/speed) difference of scale becomes a difference of kind, I have trouble accepting the co

Re: [FRIAM] The Three Toed Sloth meets the Shoggoth

2023-06-24 Thread David Eric Smith
Stephen, thank you for these, Continuous your paragraphs at the bottom, there is a project I have wanted to pursue off and on for 25 years, and which gets cheaper each year. I probably described it before on the list (maybe more than once), in which case apologies for the repeat. The neoclass

Re: [FRIAM] The Three Toed Sloth meets the Shoggoth

2023-06-24 Thread Stephen Guerin
Thanks, Roger. I put a copy of Shalizi and Farrell's paper for discussion here: https://redfish.com/papers/temp20230624/shaliziFarrell_AI_Economist.pdf (As this is a not a public email list, I think it's fair use to post a link to the article for discussion. I will delete the file tomorrow so

Re: [FRIAM] The Three Toed Sloth meets the Shoggoth

2023-06-24 Thread David Eric Smith
I didn’t pay to read the economist, but the summary of the article given in the twitter thread is one I like. Meaning: the framework of reasoning they use seems insightful and of the right kind to me. We had a version of it earlier in the Ted Chiang article linked from the Cory Doctorow articl

Re: [FRIAM] The Three Toed Sloth meets the Shoggoth

2023-06-24 Thread Gillian Densmore
Sooo a derpy animal, meets a literal eldritch nightmare creature. Now does this encounter include both speakable, and unspeakable PTSD inducing nightmares? or did the derps mind just turn into something about the consistency of jello? On Sat, Jun 24, 2023 at 2:56 PM Roger Critchlow wrote: > I w

[FRIAM] The Three Toed Sloth meets the Shoggoth

2023-06-24 Thread Roger Critchlow
I was trawling through my saved bookmarks looking for insights into Prigozhin's mutiny, when I stumbled to http://bactra.org/weblog/ and found that Henry Farrell and Cosma Shalizi have just published an essay in The Economist, https://www.economist.com/by-invitation/2023/06/21/artificial-intelligen