Re: [FRIAM] Theil

2023-11-14 Thread Stephen Guerin
Woah, great news, Roger. cc'ing Ed, Frank, Josh and Steve Smith. PS I'll be in Santa Fe this Friday and probably at Friam. _ stephen.gue...@simtable.com stephengue...@fas.harvard.edu Harvard

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

2023-11-14 Thread Frank Wimberly
"PS I'll be in Santa Fe this Friday and probably at Friam." Excellent. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Tue, Nov 14, 2023, 5:12 PM Roger Critchlow wrote: > The stars have aligned to make this assembly theory day! > > First this

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

2023-11-14 Thread glen
In addition to the github repository with the mathematica notebooks (and the assembly-data.zip supp.), there are 2 interesting sources for more cronin group code. https://github.com/orgs/croningp/repositories (parent of the mathematical repository) https://gitlab.com/croningroup Browsing the

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

2023-11-14 Thread Roger Critchlow
The stars have aligned to make this assembly theory day! First this article on How Did Life Begin: https://www.technologyreview.com/2023/11/14/1082828/how-did-life-begin/ pointed me to an open access article: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-023-06600-9 Assembly theory explains

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

2023-11-14 Thread glen
I suspected that the distance between you and Walker might be relatively low. But csauthors.net only gives me a = 6. It's interesting that = 6 as well. Obviously, there are plenty of spots uncertainty could creep in there. Distance to me is only 5 (!), which I think proves beyond a shadow of

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

2023-11-14 Thread glen
I'll choose not to listen to 4 hours of Lex's benzo voice. It's worse than vocal fry to my poor ears. But Anthropic's Claude summarized it for me! $ ANTHROPIC_API_KEY=`cat ../anthropic_key` python3 complete.py ~/Downloads/lex_ai_lee_cronin_sara_walker.txt Here is a summary of the key points

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

2023-11-14 Thread Frank Wimberly
Once Jaron Lanier visited us at BiosGroup. We set up an impromptu seminar. My office mate said we should go to see who emerges as the alpha guru. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 9:00 PM Steve Smith wrote: > > On

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

2023-11-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
I can't imagine watching all that. Do people? On Nov 13, 2023, at 6:43 PM, David Eric Smith wrote:  Well in that case, definitely look up the interview he did with Sara Walker and Lee Cronin. I will not comment further. Eric On Nov 13, 2023, at 5:57 PM, Steve Smith wrote: On

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

2023-11-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
There's a Nine Inch Nails song that coincides with the SFI initials. Dating myself. On Nov 13, 2023, at 9:00 PM, Steve Smith wrote:  On 11/13/23 5:39 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: I'm surprised Stuart Kauffman isn't in there. CultBiosGroup? -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... .

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

2023-11-13 Thread Steve Smith
On 11/13/23 5:39 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: I'm surprised Stuart Kauffman isn't in there. CultBiosGroup? -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

2023-11-13 Thread Steve Smith
On 11/13/23 6:42 PM, David Eric Smith wrote: Well in that case, definitely look up the interview he did with Sara Walker and Lee Cronin. I will not comment further. Eric Gah! Coincidence that I just finished Stephen Webb's updated review of the Fermi Paradox.  I didn't choose to read it

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

2023-11-13 Thread David Eric Smith
I actually saw your post second, Frank, but had to smile when I did. Benefits/defects of reading emails in reverse chronological. Eric > On Nov 13, 2023, at 7:31 PM, Frank Wimberly wrote: > > Were you responding to my post, Eric? Probably not. > > --- > Frank C. Wimberly > 140 Calle Ojo

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

2023-11-13 Thread Frank Wimberly
Were you responding to my post, Eric? Probably not. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 6:43 PM David Eric Smith wrote: > Well in that case, definitely look up the interview he did with Sara > Walker and Lee Cronin. >

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

2023-11-13 Thread David Eric Smith
Well in that case, definitely look up the interview he did with Sara Walker and Lee Cronin. I will not comment further. Eric > On Nov 13, 2023, at 5:57 PM, Steve Smith wrote: > > > > On 11/13/23 12:06 PM, glen wrote: >> You might want to check the Gurometer. Lex has an entry: >> >>

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

2023-11-13 Thread Steve Smith
On 11/13/23 12:06 PM, glen wrote: You might want to check the Gurometer. Lex has an entry: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Oe-af4_OmzLJavktcSKGfP0wmxCX0ppP8n_Tvi9l_yc/edit?usp=sharing While Lex's scores are relatively low compared to some of the wackos on the list, we are known by

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

2023-11-13 Thread Frank Wimberly
I'm surprised Stuart Kauffman isn't in there. --- Frank C. Wimberly 140 Calle Ojo Feliz, Santa Fe, NM 87505 505 670-9918 Santa Fe, NM On Mon, Nov 13, 2023, 5:31 PM Marcus Daniels wrote: > I'm too lazy to run a kmeans now. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Nov 13, 2023, at 12:06 PM, glen

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

2023-11-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
I'm too lazy to run a kmeans now. Sent from my iPhone > On Nov 13, 2023, at 12:06 PM, glen wrote: > > You might want to check the Gurometer. Lex has an entry: > > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Oe-af4_OmzLJavktcSKGfP0wmxCX0ppP8n_Tvi9l_yc/edit?usp=sharing > > While Lex's scores

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

2023-11-13 Thread glen
You might want to check the Gurometer. Lex has an entry: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Oe-af4_OmzLJavktcSKGfP0wmxCX0ppP8n_Tvi9l_yc/edit?usp=sharing While Lex's scores are relatively low compared to some of the wackos on the list, we are known by association. And many of Lex's guests

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

2023-11-13 Thread Steve Smith
It seems (maybe only to me?) that "will" is what defines the intersection of memory and imagination?   The free-will-less-ness-ers among us (ala Sopolsky )

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

2023-11-13 Thread Marcus Daniels
It seems to me that neither Musk and Thiel are interested in the unknown. They are interested in doing things they can already imagine.For Musk I thought that was because it is how he raises money. Now I think he is not imagining consciousness in a, say, a transporter pattern buffer, he

Re: [FRIAM] Theil

2023-11-13 Thread glen
There's an interesting parallel between the Stross and Gellman pieces: Stross both laments and implicitly appreciates the bureaucracy of getting a book published, where Thiel's aggrieved by the bureaucracy of societal evolution. It reminds me of the engineering-vs-biology dichotomy (yes,