Re: [FRIAM] Woo Peddlers, Visionaries and Cranks!

2013-05-07 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Steve Smith wrote at 05/07/2013 09:09 AM: > I understood that when I wrote it of course... but... I know. But language coerces thought. So, it's important (to me) to avoid metaphor when possible. And it's important to my (puzzling) distinction between thought and behavior, cf below. > I still

Re: [FRIAM] Woo Peddlers, Visionaries and Cranks!

2013-05-07 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - Hm. I don't think science _aspires_ to be anything. And I'm not just making a cheap rhetorical jab, either. ;-) Science isn't really a thing, at all, much less an entity that can aspire. I understood that when I wrote it of course... but... It's an amalgam of behaviors that we cherr

Re: [FRIAM] Woo Peddlers, Visionaries and Cranks!

2013-05-06 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Steve Smith wrote at 05/06/2013 02:06 PM: > It is an interesting paradox to compare "what things are" and "what > things aspire to be". I do agree that Science(tm) *is* a > collective/consensus model with some self-limiting features that help it > to be relatively coherent. But it *aspires* to

Re: [FRIAM] Woo Peddlers, Visionaries and Cranks!

2013-05-06 Thread Steve Smith
On 5/6/13 2:16 PM, glen e. p. ropella wrote: Saul Caganoff wrote at 05/05/2013 09:58 PM: http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/why-listen-to-weird-ideas3f/4666056 I like her comment that mainstream science (or did she say physics?) consists of _collective_ theory. It re-rais

Re: [FRIAM] Woo Peddlers, Visionaries and Cranks!

2013-05-06 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Saul Caganoff wrote at 05/05/2013 09:58 PM: > http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/why-listen-to-weird-ideas3f/4666056 I like her comment that mainstream science (or did she say physics?) consists of _collective_ theory. It re-raises our question of the importance of consensus

Re: [FRIAM] Woo Peddlers, Visionaries and Cranks!

2013-05-05 Thread Saul Caganoff
Just this weekend in the Science Show there was a story on "Outsider Science". http://www.abc.net.au/radionational/programs/scienceshow/why-listen-to-weird-ideas3f/4666056 In listening to the description of the behaviour of these "cranks" I was struck by how many real physicists I had encountered

[FRIAM] Woo Peddlers, Visionaries and Cranks!

2013-05-05 Thread Steve Smith
In researching another project I tripped over this: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/cross-check/2011/12/11/in-physics-telling-cranks-from-experts-aint-easy/ http://theiff.org/exhibits/physicsonthefringe.html FRIAM Applied C