On 04/16/2014 10:48 AM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
What is the question here? What are the historical
conditions that lead to one or the other forming? How to destabilize
such a social system? An answer to the latter is to vote for
progressive candidates, seems to me, and let (Glen's) `databas
> I think the notion of an attractor survives the dimensionality problem.
> It seems clear that patriarchy is a stable attractor. I don't know
> why, of course.
Because it is by definition? If people are persuaded or forced to
participate in matriarchy, patriarchy, or kyriarchy then it co
On 04/15/2014 08:37 PM, Steve Smith wrote:
What I'm seeking are notional models with more acknowledgement of the
complexities and maybe a qualitative hint toward any first or second
order "unintended consequences" they might hint at.
Familiar, brutally simple models are on the order of:
1. Wh
On Tue, 2014-04-15 at 21:37 -0600, Steve Smith wrote:
> The public is trained to look for simple, linear relationships between
> things and zeroth order effects, I'm just calling for the development
> of a broader and deeper description of these very relevant problems.
> Is it possible that we mig
Marcus -
I understand that pre-inventing Psychohistory (ala Asimov) is an
out-of-reach task. Predictive models in general are hard, and as you
say, this one has deeply compounded problems of dimensionality and
testability, etc.
What I'm seeking are notional models with more acknowledgement
On Tue, 2014-04-15 at 13:53 -0600, Steve Smith wrote:
> I believe that our "common understanding" of such problems as
> gender/race inequalities tends to be too "simple" which might explain
> why progress in the domain is both slow and somewhat herky-jerky.
A master equation for an economic syste
Nick -
...
It offers a picture of a three dimensional structure as a model for
goings-on in an N dimensional space. Not at all clear to me that the
intuitions drawn from a three dimensional model have any use at all in
n-dimensional space.
Reread Edwin Abbot Abbot's "Flatland: a Romance in
e Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
Subject: Re: [FRIAM] basin filling
Wise Nick -
As usual, I got my ears boxed on the substance, but everybody gave me a
pass on the use of the metaphor, "attractor and basin". It's been quite a
while since I read any complexity lite
Wise Nick -
As usual, I got my ears boxed on the substance, but everybody gave me
a pass on the use of the metaphor, "attractor and basin". It's been
quite a while since I read any complexity literature and nearly as
long since a complexity topic has graced these pages.
So, I am wondering,
On 04/14/2014 11:41 AM, Marcus G. Daniels wrote:
I've seen this sort of thing used before for threat evaluation.
In that context they identified the resources that a bad guy could use
to accomplish a set of bad things, with the related workflow for each
one, and the (alternative) dependencies for
On Mon, 2014-04-14 at 10:05 -0700, glen wrote:
> On 04/14/2014 09:38 AM, Nick Thompson wrote:
> > If we were dedicated to "filling that basin", what would
> > that look like?
>
> It would "look like" an understanding of merit and reward that addressed
> as many dimensions of a human and its envir
> Would I have said less or more if I had suggested that we “alter the
> incentives surrounding childcare for men and women”, or the like.
+1 for plain language. If the discussion was precise enough to build a
computational model from, then perhaps the systems stuff would be more
than a vocabul
On 04/14/2014 09:38 AM, Nick Thompson wrote:
If we were dedicated to "filling that basin", what would
that look like?
It would "look like" an understanding of merit and reward that addressed
as many dimensions of a human and its environment as possible.
Something like the ontologies I posted
Dear wise people,
Recently, I pitched into a friam bicker on the subject of gender inequality
using the metaphor of an "attractor". The idea was that the basin of
attraction we call
childcare was broader and deeper for a woman than for a man because of the
sequence of physiological events a
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