Re: [FRIAM] hypothetical causes for semantic drift (was Notions of entropy)

2013-10-16 Thread glen e. p. ropella
Roger Critchlow wrote at 10/15/2013 08:24 AM: [...] correctly formed explanations can be uninformed opinions or fallacious reasonings or imaginary evidence, and flawed as they are they can still sound true to some social population, so people get positive feedback for ridiculous explanations

Re: [FRIAM] hypothetical causes for semantic drift (was Notions of entropy)

2013-10-16 Thread Roger Critchlow
I think the article's plea to see the liberal arts and sciences as a united front pursuing evidence and reason based explanations has something to do with Lee's rant about semantic infelicities between disciplines. They're all doing the same thing for a fuzzy enough definition of thing. In

Re: [FRIAM] hypothetical causes for semantic drift (was Notions of entropy)

2013-10-16 Thread Nick Thompson
Roger, I have stayed out of this one, pretty much, but I want to say how much I liked this post. Hope I run into you some time. Nick Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/

Re: [FRIAM] hypothetical causes for semantic drift (was Notions of entropy)

2013-10-16 Thread Roger Critchlow
Nature publishes a letter: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v502/n7471/full/502303d.html Communication: Metaphors advance scientific research which references a perspective: http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v500/n7464/full/500523a.html Communication: Mind the metaphor and another

Re: [FRIAM] hypothetical causes for semantic drift (was Notions of entropy)

2013-10-16 Thread Nick Thompson
Are you a subscriber? I hit the pay wall. I probably can get at these articles via Clark, but it will involve starting all over again and looking them from the Clark portal. Do you have a smarter way? NIc k Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology Clark

Re: [FRIAM] hypothetical causes for semantic drift (was Notions of entropy)

2013-10-15 Thread Roger Critchlow
I would rework Steve's explanation. Just as infants babble to learn the correct sounds for their native language by feedback, older children babble explanations to see what works. Unfortunately, correctly formed explanations can be uninformed opinions or fallacious reasonings or imaginary

Re: [FRIAM] hypothetical causes for semantic drift (was Notions of entropy)

2013-10-15 Thread Steve Smith
Roger - I would rework Steve's explanation. Just as infants babble to learn the correct sounds for their native language by feedback, older children babble explanations to see what works. Unfortunately, correctly formed explanations can be uninformed opinions or fallacious reasonings or

Re: [FRIAM] hypothetical causes for semantic drift (was Notions of entropy)

2013-10-15 Thread Steve Smith
Roger/Glen - I would rework Steve's explanation. Just as infants babble to learn the correct sounds for their native language by feedback, older children babble explanations to see what works. Unfortunately, correctly formed explanations can be uninformed opinions or fallacious reasonings

[FRIAM] hypothetical causes for semantic drift (was Notions of entropy)

2013-10-14 Thread glen
Nick's metaphor answer is generative (even if vague). Steve's selection answer is constraint-based. So, they're in different categories. I'll posit another generative answer: finite capacities. As social animals, we're bred to interact, even if there's nothing to actually interact