Re: [FRIAM] off topic....., but still

2011-05-06 Thread Mohammed El-Beltagy
A few rhyming lines that came to mind after hearing about OBL's killing. On the death of a terroristy No glory in slaying a monster you made No joy! The debt of injustice must be paid! What justice and honor and values you state? Feed anger with hate, but will hatred abate? Why celebrate? Why

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2011-05-04 Thread siddharth
apparently this isn't even by MLK in the first place. http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/05/out-of-osamas-death-a-fake-quotation-is-born/238220/ !!! On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 9:36 PM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: I mourn the loss of thousands of precious

Re: [FRIAM] off topic....., but still

2011-05-04 Thread Nicholas Thompson
, May 04, 2011 1:01 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] off topic., but still apparently this isn't even by MLK in the first place. http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/05/out-of-osamas-death-a-fa ke-quotation-is-born/238220

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2011-05-04 Thread Sarbajit Roy
Hi Doug , Would you say the same for Gadaffi's grandchildren too ? Sarbajit Roy अयं निज: परो वेति गणना लघुचेतसाम् । उदारचरितानां तु वसुधैव कुटुम्बकम् ॥ He is mine and he is other, is the thought that narrow minded people have. For noble people, the entire world is family. On Tue, May 3,

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2011-05-04 Thread glen e. p. ropella
I started thinking about writing a toy model after this article was referenced in another forum: http://www.economist.com/node/18563638 I've always viewed the initiative process a bit suspiciously. It's not that I don't trust myself or the other yahoos on the street... but I do believe in

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2011-05-04 Thread Douglas Roberts
No, of course not Sarbajit. The death of children is just one of the many horrors that result from religious and cultural confrontation. And we are all to blame for having allowed to let it continue since the beginning of recorded history. --Doug On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 2:23 AM, Sarbajit Roy

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2011-05-04 Thread Steve Smith
Nick - Still, me being supposedly a scholar, and all, makes it a bit rough. So, I guess I */am/* embarrassed. Sorry! It was all I could do to not smart-assedly claim you had sucker-punched us with that quote. But on followup of the (mis)quote, the mangling was minimal... the spirit was

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2011-05-04 Thread Douglas Roberts
In my case, I believe perhaps 10% of what I see/hear. And demand proof for that. Not, mind you, that I'm particularly intelligent/educated... --Doug On Wed, May 4, 2011 at 10:22 AM, Steve Smith sasm...@swcp.com wrote: I'm curious how many of the educated, intelligent people on this list

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2011-05-04 Thread Steve Smith
Glen, et alii - I have listened to the chatter on this mail list for years now and with only a few exceptions, we don't seem to put our models where our mouth is. We are all here ostensibly because we know something about Complexity and Modeling, or at least that we are Complexity Groupies

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2011-05-04 Thread glen e. p. ropella
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 It's a good ramble. But to be clear, modeling and simulation (MS) is not about, nor has it ever been about, finding a better model. Perhaps that's arrogant on my part. How about MS has never been about finding a better _anything_ for me. MS is

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2011-05-04 Thread sbarr2
Apparently the quote is an appended version of a passage that appeared in MLK's book _Strength to Love_: http://books.google.com/books?id=errxX4tzSMcCpg=PA53#v=onepageqf=false How it joined the first sentence is not clear. A facebook post has been credited:

[FRIAM] off topic....., but still

2011-05-03 Thread Nicholas Thompson
I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies hate, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. ~ Martin Luther King Nicholas S. Thompson Emeritus Professor of

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2011-05-03 Thread Douglas Roberts
The world's a better place without him. ~Doug Roberts On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives, but I will not rejoice in the death of one, not even an enemy. Returning hate for hate multiplies

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2011-05-03 Thread Gary Schiltz
For the record, and the millions who will read the FRIAM archives in the next centuries, of course Doug is referring to the death of bin Laden, and not saying that the world is a better place without MLK. Amazing to see the collective conscious at work in that mini exchange. Of course, one

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2011-05-03 Thread Alfredo Covaleda
Until appears other man as angry as him Alfredo. 2011/5/3 Douglas Roberts d...@parrot-farm.net The world's a better place without him. ~Doug Roberts On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 10:06 AM, Nicholas Thompson nickthomp...@earthlink.net wrote: I mourn the loss of thousands of precious lives,

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2011-05-03 Thread Douglas Roberts
Look at the bright side, Owen: the probability just increased significantly that many, many more bigots will find themselves removed from the equation. I can just hear it now: choruses of Onward Christian Soldiers, Marching as to War! Offset, of course, by equally stirring refrains of الله

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2011-05-03 Thread Pamela McCorduck
Reality check. In Manhattan security has been ramped up seriously in anticipation of a possible retaliatory move by whatever fragment of al Qaeda thinks the guy deserves to be avenged. Police and dogs were thick in the Times Square subway station at midday. Pamela On May 3, 2011, at 2:04

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2011-05-03 Thread glen e. p. ropella
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Does anyone know of any substantial/credible groups working explicitly on methods for the peaceful evolution of governing systems? With a naive brush, one would think modern democratic nations would have plenty of shareable expertise in that domain.

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2011-05-03 Thread Steve Smith
Glen - very (VERY) good question. I fear that there is not an obvious market. That is not to say there is no value, it is (perhaps) hard to translate that into the market in terms of political or economic capital. I think there is huge (potential) social capital available, but how to