[FRIAM] pride and entitlement (was 11 American Nations)

2013-11-11 Thread glen
I'm always late to the game, since I (try to) unplug on weekends. But this excerpt caught my eye: On 11/10/2013 08:44 AM, Steve Smith wrote: We are not who we are proud of being for the most part, and I find that sad. Each of those 11 nations in Woodard's model have a strong story about

Re: [FRIAM] pride and entitlement (was 11 American Nations)

2013-11-11 Thread Arlo Barnes
I also was happy I spent much of last weekend *not *on my computer, for once. Anyway, I can't accept determined attributes as being something worthy of pride. Enter the free will -- for individuals -- and stigmergy -- for collectives -- debate(s). What attributes can we really be proud of

Re: [FRIAM] pride and entitlement (was 11 American Nations)

2013-11-11 Thread glen
On 11/11/2013 10:22 AM, Stephen Thompson wrote: I took Steve's comments to refer to the behaviors that help define the people in each of the 11 Nations - not necessarily the genetically determined characteristics. I took Steve's comments to mean if these groups could focus on the positive

Re: [FRIAM] pride and entitlement (was 11 American Nations)

2013-11-11 Thread glen
On 11/11/2013 11:40 AM, Arlo Barnes wrote: I have only seen a couple of John Wayne movies (sounds like that is representative though, just kidding) but as I recall his characters 1) shoot and punch people 2) sometimes just for fun, and 3) have been injured and relied on help. He does not seem