Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth?

2017-01-05 Thread glen ☣
On 01/04/2017 10:15 AM, Eric Charles wrote: > Sure... the situation would be improved, and we would call it a win, if we > could send Putin to the principles office... Part of my point was exactly > that it seems unlikely a public accusation by Trump would do anything towards > getting Putin to

Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth?

2017-01-04 Thread Marcus Daniels
pplied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth? Is it a lose if your kid goes to the principal’s office for abusing his classmates, or goes to jail for a night for drunken bad behavior? Sure... the sit

Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth?

2017-01-04 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky
Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth? Is it a lose if your kid goes to the principal’s office for abusing his classmates, or goes to jail for a night for drunken bad behavior? Sure... the situation would

Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth?

2017-01-04 Thread Marcus Daniels
oup <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth? Is it a lose if your kid goes to the principal’s office for abusing his classmates, or goes to jail for a night for drunken bad behavior? Sure... the

Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth?

2017-01-04 Thread Eric Charles
Is it a lose if your kid goes to the principal’s office for abusing his classmates, or goes to jail for a night for drunken bad behavior? Sure... the situation would be improved, and we would call it a win, if we could send Putin to the principles office... Part of my point was exactly that it

Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth?

2017-01-04 Thread Marcus Daniels
“Even if the intelligence community had iron clad proof, that everyone could understand and believe beyond a reasonable doubt (which they don't), it would only heighten questions about the legitimacy of Trump's win. At this point, that wouldn't be a win for Trump, or the country.” For some

Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth?

2017-01-04 Thread Owen Densmore
On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Prof David West wrote: > Exactly why does anyone believe anything the "intelligence" community > asserts to be the "truth?" > Ars Technica at least, believes the white house hacking report was a fail: White House fails to make case that

Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth?

2017-01-04 Thread Prof David West
Exactly why does anyone believe anything the "intelligence" community asserts to be the "truth?" Two concrete reasons I doubt their veracity at the moment: 1) I have met several members of Cozy Bear (when I was in Moscow the week before the election) who readily admit the DNC hack and

Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth?

2017-01-04 Thread Marcus Daniels
Eric writes: “Are we really going to get four years of the media trying to treat everything Trumps says as if it is a factual claim he deeply believes?” It is relevant if his supporters believe his actions come from core values that are in line with theirs. Is his drama `hyperbole truth’