Re: [FRIAM] Swirlies redux

2023-08-05 Thread Frank Wimberly
I'm not sure how this fits with what you wrote, Eric but it may be interesting regardless. In the late 1990s Clark Glymour and I wrote a paper on using causal inference algorithms to discover the structure of genetic regulatory networks based on microarray data. We tested a number of methods on

Re: [FRIAM] Swirlies redux

2023-08-05 Thread David Eric Smith
The uncanny valley for me in this is its extraordinary astuteness for the use patterns of weasel wording in the kind of hostage-video writing that any scientist who is still alive to work will have done in grant proposals, responses to referee reports and other such things. Given how blithe it

Re: [FRIAM] Swirlies redux

2023-08-05 Thread Stephen Guerin
Yeah those students got a C+ for sloppy conclusions with no evidence. I see your crucifix and raise you with this C- lab report :-) **Student Lab Report** **Title:** Natural Selection's Influence on Vortex Formation in Fluid Dynamics **Objective:** This lab aimed to investigate vortex

Re: [FRIAM] Swirlies redux

2023-08-05 Thread David Eric Smith
It’s great that the principle of least action applies only to vortices. Kinda like a crucifix, that wards off whatever crucifixes ward off. Eric > On Aug 6, 2023, at 12:09 AM, Stephen Guerin > wrote: > > There were 10 or so intermediate prompts to drive chatGPT to that lab report. > > On

Re: [FRIAM] Swirlies redux

2023-08-05 Thread Stephen Guerin
The stories are constructed. Judged on coherence and usefulness. George Box applies. On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 10:54 AM Roger Critchlow wrote: > Or the waypoints in formulating a false confession, under the guidance of > a police interrogator. > > -- rec -- > > On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 10:30 AM

Re: [FRIAM] Swirlies redux

2023-08-05 Thread Roger Critchlow
Or the waypoints in formulating a false confession, under the guidance of a police interrogator. -- rec -- On Sat, Aug 5, 2023 at 10:30 AM Stephen Guerin wrote: > More seriously, I see a series of prompts as vector compositing to give > context and then exploring the synthesized space created.

Re: [FRIAM] Swirlies redux

2023-08-05 Thread Stephen Guerin
More seriously, I see a series of prompts as vector compositing to give context and then exploring the synthesized space created. Less about information retrieval or search. On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 10:16 AM Stephen Guerin wrote: > > > On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 10:05 AM Marcus Daniels wrote: > >> There

Re: [FRIAM] Swirlies redux

2023-08-05 Thread Stephen Guerin
On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 10:05 AM Marcus Daniels wrote: > There is something objectionable about prompts. Like a therapist > extracting subconscious recovered memories from childhood PTSD. > I understand your concerns. Prompting, especially in therapeutic contexts, should be approached with care

Re: [FRIAM] Swirlies redux

2023-08-05 Thread Marcus Daniels
There is something objectionable about prompts. Like a therapist extracting subconscious recovered memories from childhood PTSD. On Aug 5, 2023, at 8:53 AM, Stephen Guerin wrote:  The explicit times were part of the prompts. we actually did these experiments this summer with Steve Cox's

Re: [FRIAM] Swirlies redux

2023-08-05 Thread Stephen Guerin
The explicit times were part of the prompts. we actually did these experiments this summer with Steve Cox's students at Northern New Mexico College for an NSF Geo Pathways grant. I put in the times from my memory of what was in the whiteboard as 6 teams reported their results. Some used 2 liter

Re: [FRIAM] Swirlies redux

2023-08-05 Thread Roger Critchlow
Who made up the exact timings? -- rec -- On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 9:10 AM Stephen Guerin wrote: > There were 10 or so intermediate prompts to drive chatGPT to that lab > report. > > On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 8:52 AM Stephen Guerin > wrote: > >> chatGPT, you are a graduate student at c the Santa Fe

Re: [FRIAM] Swirlies redux

2023-08-05 Thread Stephen Guerin
There were 10 or so intermediate prompts to drive chatGPT to that lab report. On Sat, Aug 5, 2023, 8:52 AM Stephen Guerin wrote: > chatGPT, you are a graduate student at c the Santa Fe Institute's complex > systems summer school, write a lab report on your experiences with the > tornado in a

Re: [FRIAM] Swirlies redux

2023-08-05 Thread Stephen Guerin
chatGPT, you are a graduate student at c the Santa Fe Institute's complex systems summer school, write a lab report on your experiences with the tornado in a tube. **Student Lab Report** **Title:** Insights into Fluid Dynamics and Symmetry Breaking via 'Tornado in a Tube' **Objective:** This

Re: [FRIAM] [EXT] Swirlies redux

2023-08-05 Thread John Kennison
Hi Nick, My theory would be that in order to drain the upper bottle, the best route for the water is to move along a cyclical path. And the best path follows a preferred rotation, say clockwise or counterclockwise. If you start the rotation along the preferred rotation, then the bottle