Re: [FRIAM] Cold War Jitters Resurface as U.S. Marines Arrive in Norway - The New York Times

2017-01-19 Thread cody dooderson 
Kim,
Given our recent history, I would guess that the US is more likely to
invade Norway for it's oil than Russia is.

Cody Smith

On Thu, Jan 19, 2017 at 9:48 AM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> I think Kim's response bounced so I'm remailing it here:
>
> *From:* Kim Sorvig [mailto:sor...@cybermesa.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, January 17, 2017 2:21 PM
> *To:* 'Owen Densmore'; 'Complexity Coffee Group'; 'Kim Sorvig'
> *Subject:* RE: Cold War Jitters Resurface as U.S. Marines Arrive in
> Norway - The New York Times
>
>
>
> My friends in Norway are of an age to remember the Cold War - but for
> them, Russia was literally next door, across a line on the ground.  Their
> parents remembered both Hitler and Stalin, and especially the Nazi
> take-over of Norway.
>
>
> Oil wealth has only increased the odds that some Russian will decide they
> must annex Norway.
>
>
> And I suspect many are concerned that Pres. Voldemort will prefer being
> pals with Hijo de Putin over protecting NATO allies.
>
>
>
> So yes, as far as such speculations go, I would say this is one of the
> least fantastical ones out there at the moment.
>
> Kim Sorvig
>
> On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Vladimyr Burachynsky 
> wrote:
>
>> The New York Times article seems to conflate geography like a party game,
>> Twister. It starts in Norway switches to Sweden, Finland, Lithuania
>> Kalingrad and keeps returning to fear and Russia.
>>
>> They should have provided a map to keep track of the game pieces.
>>
>>
>>
>> The Norwegians share an interest in smuggling Atlantic Salmon fillets to
>> Muscovites who smoke it.
>>
>> Russians smuggle bicycles to Norway pedal-powered by Syrian refugees.
>>
>> The Lithuanians smuggle cigarettes from Russia. The Russians smuggle wild
>> Mushrooms (Boletus edulis) and furs  to Europe
>>
>> The Russians also used to smuggle High Grade Birch Plywood through
>> Finland and on to the entire world.
>>
>> The Russians used to smuggle mammoth Ivory to Alaska. Canada smuggled
>> Grass to the USA.
>>
>> The Polish Merchant Marine Ships used to smuggle Vodka (Spiritus) into
>> Canada.
>>
>> And all Baltic States  smuggle Amber and Herrings.
>>
>> The Ukrainians smuggle well heeled Syrians from Russia to Slovakia flying
>> Russian Helicopters at tree top heights through the Carpathian Mts.
>>
>> They used to smuggle diamonds out of and Moldavian Guns into , Africa.
>>
>> Well if America needs to train soldiers in Arctic conditions what was
>> wrong with Alaska or North Dakota.
>>
>> Perhaps militarism is bad for all smugglers. Seems sanctions only served
>> smugglers.
>>
>> vib.
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Owen
>> Densmore
>> *Sent:* January-17-17 11:15 AM
>> *To:* Complexity Coffee Group; Kim Sorvig
>> *Subject:* [FRIAM] Cold War Jitters Resurface as U.S. Marines Arrive in
>> Norway - The New York Times
>>
>>
>>
>> Does this make any sense? Are Norwegians concerned about a Russian
>> invasion? Sounds nuts.
>>
>> ​​
>>
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/16/world/europe/norway-us-ru
>> ssia-marines.html
>>
>>
>>
>> ​Poland recently​ received US military folks too:
>>
>>   https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/world/europe/as-trump-
>> reaches-toward-putin-us-troops-arrive-in-poland.html
>>
>>
>>
>> It seems to be NATO sponsored but why US troops?
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm a bit spooked.
>>
>>
>>
>> ​   -- Owen​
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Cold War Jitters Resurface as U.S. Marines Arrive in Norway - The New York Times

2017-01-18 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky 
The New York Times article seems to conflate geography like a party game, 
Twister. It starts in Norway switches to Sweden, Finland, Lithuania Kalingrad 
and keeps returning to fear and Russia.

They should have provided a map to keep track of the game pieces.

 

The Norwegians share an interest in smuggling Atlantic Salmon fillets to 
Muscovites who smoke it.

Russians smuggle bicycles to Norway pedal-powered by Syrian refugees.

The Lithuanians smuggle cigarettes from Russia. The Russians smuggle wild 
Mushrooms (Boletus edulis) and furs  to Europe

The Russians also used to smuggle High Grade Birch Plywood through Finland and 
on to the entire world.

The Russians used to smuggle mammoth Ivory to Alaska. Canada smuggled Grass to 
the USA.

The Polish Merchant Marine Ships used to smuggle Vodka (Spiritus) into Canada.

And all Baltic States  smuggle Amber and Herrings.

The Ukrainians smuggle well heeled Syrians from Russia to Slovakia flying 
Russian Helicopters at tree top heights through the Carpathian Mts.

They used to smuggle diamonds out of and Moldavian Guns into , Africa.

Well if America needs to train soldiers in Arctic conditions what was wrong 
with Alaska or North Dakota.

Perhaps militarism is bad for all smugglers. Seems sanctions only served 
smugglers.

vib.

 

From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Owen Densmore
Sent: January-17-17 11:15 AM
To: Complexity Coffee Group; Kim Sorvig
Subject: [FRIAM] Cold War Jitters Resurface as U.S. Marines Arrive in Norway - 
The New York Times

 

Does this make any sense? Are Norwegians concerned about a Russian invasion? 
Sounds nuts.

​​

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/16/world/europe/norway-us-russia-marines.html

 

​Poland recently​ received US military folks too:

  
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/world/europe/as-trump-reaches-toward-putin-us-troops-arrive-in-poland.html

 

It seems to be NATO sponsored but why US troops?

 

I'm a bit spooked.

 

​   -- Owen​

 


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Re: [FRIAM] Cold War Jitters Resurface as U.S. Marines Arrive in Norway - The New York Times

2017-01-17 Thread Marcus Daniels 
”Yeah, by provoking the Russians it seems Obama is trying to "salt the earth" 
for the next administration.  A so-called Parthian 
shot at those that threaten to 
throw his "legacy" under the bus.”

Didn’t expect this..

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/17/us/politics/obama-commutes-bulk-of-chelsea-mannings-sentence.html


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Re: [FRIAM] Cold War Jitters Resurface as U.S. Marines Arrive in Norway - The New York Times

2017-01-17 Thread Gary Schiltz 
Are you saying that some of that stuff went out of style? WTF

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Gillian Densmore 
wrote:

> Huh does this meen redoing the 80s? that's kind of cool!
> So that's legwarmer
> Goofy fun music
> Saturday Cartoons
> Fucking Awsome science shows
>
> Hmm that might be to bad I'm sure their's a snag someplace
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Gillian Densmore  > wrote:
>
>> Hmmm so if the russians are comingCan I have their beer?
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Robert Wall 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Yeah, by provoking the Russians it seems Obama is trying to "salt the
>>> earth" for the next administration.  A so-called Parthian shot
>>>  at those that threaten to
>>> throw his "legacy" under the bus.
>>>
>>> No, Owen, it makes no sense, but it will fuel the post-election
>>> narrative to come (actually already here) that will certainly be filled
>>> with sour grapes, anxiety, anger, and hatred. Payment in full for the eight
>>> years of obstructionism?  Not sure, but it is insane.
>>>
>>> Or it could be Obama's handlers, the corporatocracy, trying to set the
>>> stage for a (re)new bogeyman--Russia--to follow ISIS in order to sell arms
>>> and Mafia-like protection.  There is big money in NATO.  Eisenhower warned
>>> us about this--the Industrial-Military Complex.  Our economy is becoming
>>> overly dependent on continuous war. If this is what it is, we should be
>>> very glad that we didn't get Clinton's Kissinger-mentored militarism. This
>>> is a full retreat to the Cold War Era of the '50s and 60s.  Should be good
>>> for the bomb shelter industry ... again.  
>>>
>>> I can't help noticing the sockpuppet corporate media falling in line to
>>> promote the new narrative: "The Russians are coming" ... and "Trump is
>>> their Manchurian candidate."  I am not at all a fan of Trump's, but this is
>>> all bat-shit crazy. I too am a bit spooked.
>>>
>>> -Robert
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Owen Densmore 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Does this make any sense? Are Norwegians concerned about a Russian
 invasion? Sounds nuts.
 ​​
 https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/16/world/europe/norway-us-ru
 ssia-marines.html

 ​Poland recently​ received US military folks too:
   https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/world/europe/as-trump-r
 eaches-toward-putin-us-troops-arrive-in-poland.html

 It seems to be NATO sponsored but why US troops?

 I'm a bit spooked.

 ​   -- Owen​


 
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Re: [FRIAM] Cold War Jitters Resurface as U.S. Marines Arrive in Norway - The New York Times

2017-01-17 Thread Eric Charles 
Owen,
There is something oddly hilarious about it. What on earth do we think it
does to put 330 marines in Norway, and why is Russia even dignifying it
with comment, nevertheless "condemnation" or nuclear threats?

If I were Putin, or a Putin surrogate, and someone at a news conference
asked what I thought about the 330 Marines, I would just laugh for a few
minutes, then ask for the next question.

Here is a recent take by some military writers:
http://www.wearethemighty.com/articles/6-things-that-330-marines-can-do-on-their-own



---
Eric P. Charles, Ph.D.
Supervisory Survey Statistician
U.S. Marine Corps


On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 12:15 PM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> Does this make any sense? Are Norwegians concerned about a Russian
> invasion? Sounds nuts.
> ​​
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/16/world/europe/norway-us-
> russia-marines.html
>
> ​Poland recently​ received US military folks too:
>   https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/world/europe/as-
> trump-reaches-toward-putin-us-troops-arrive-in-poland.html
>
> It seems to be NATO sponsored but why US troops?
>
> I'm a bit spooked.
>
> ​   -- Owen​
>
>
> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Cold War Jitters Resurface as U.S. Marines Arrive in Norway - The New York Times

2017-01-17 Thread Gillian Densmore 
Huh does this meen redoing the 80s? that's kind of cool!
So that's legwarmer
Goofy fun music
Saturday Cartoons
Fucking Awsome science shows

Hmm that might be to bad I'm sure their's a snag someplace

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:11 AM, Gillian Densmore 
wrote:

> Hmmm so if the russians are comingCan I have their beer?
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Robert Wall 
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, by provoking the Russians it seems Obama is trying to "salt the
>> earth" for the next administration.  A so-called Parthian shot
>>  at those that threaten to
>> throw his "legacy" under the bus.
>>
>> No, Owen, it makes no sense, but it will fuel the post-election narrative
>> to come (actually already here) that will certainly be filled with sour
>> grapes, anxiety, anger, and hatred. Payment in full for the eight years of
>> obstructionism?  Not sure, but it is insane.
>>
>> Or it could be Obama's handlers, the corporatocracy, trying to set the
>> stage for a (re)new bogeyman--Russia--to follow ISIS in order to sell arms
>> and Mafia-like protection.  There is big money in NATO.  Eisenhower warned
>> us about this--the Industrial-Military Complex.  Our economy is becoming
>> overly dependent on continuous war. If this is what it is, we should be
>> very glad that we didn't get Clinton's Kissinger-mentored militarism. This
>> is a full retreat to the Cold War Era of the '50s and 60s.  Should be good
>> for the bomb shelter industry ... again.  
>>
>> I can't help noticing the sockpuppet corporate media falling in line to
>> promote the new narrative: "The Russians are coming" ... and "Trump is
>> their Manchurian candidate."  I am not at all a fan of Trump's, but this is
>> all bat-shit crazy. I too am a bit spooked.
>>
>> -Robert
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Owen Densmore 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Does this make any sense? Are Norwegians concerned about a Russian
>>> invasion? Sounds nuts.
>>> ​​
>>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/16/world/europe/norway-us-ru
>>> ssia-marines.html
>>>
>>> ​Poland recently​ received US military folks too:
>>>   https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/world/europe/as-trump-r
>>> eaches-toward-putin-us-troops-arrive-in-poland.html
>>>
>>> It seems to be NATO sponsored but why US troops?
>>>
>>> I'm a bit spooked.
>>>
>>> ​   -- Owen​
>>>
>>>
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Re: [FRIAM] Cold War Jitters Resurface as U.S. Marines Arrive in Norway - The New York Times

2017-01-17 Thread Gillian Densmore 
Hmmm so if the russians are comingCan I have their beer?

On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 11:00 AM, Robert Wall  wrote:

> Yeah, by provoking the Russians it seems Obama is trying to "salt the
> earth" for the next administration.  A so-called Parthian shot
>  at those that threaten to
> throw his "legacy" under the bus.
>
> No, Owen, it makes no sense, but it will fuel the post-election narrative
> to come (actually already here) that will certainly be filled with sour
> grapes, anxiety, anger, and hatred. Payment in full for the eight years of
> obstructionism?  Not sure, but it is insane.
>
> Or it could be Obama's handlers, the corporatocracy, trying to set the
> stage for a (re)new bogeyman--Russia--to follow ISIS in order to sell arms
> and Mafia-like protection.  There is big money in NATO.  Eisenhower warned
> us about this--the Industrial-Military Complex.  Our economy is becoming
> overly dependent on continuous war. If this is what it is, we should be
> very glad that we didn't get Clinton's Kissinger-mentored militarism. This
> is a full retreat to the Cold War Era of the '50s and 60s.  Should be good
> for the bomb shelter industry ... again.  
>
> I can't help noticing the sockpuppet corporate media falling in line to
> promote the new narrative: "The Russians are coming" ... and "Trump is
> their Manchurian candidate."  I am not at all a fan of Trump's, but this is
> all bat-shit crazy. I too am a bit spooked.
>
> -Robert
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Owen Densmore 
> wrote:
>
>> Does this make any sense? Are Norwegians concerned about a Russian
>> invasion? Sounds nuts.
>> ​​
>> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/16/world/europe/norway-us-ru
>> ssia-marines.html
>>
>> ​Poland recently​ received US military folks too:
>>   https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/world/europe/as-trump-
>> reaches-toward-putin-us-troops-arrive-in-poland.html
>>
>> It seems to be NATO sponsored but why US troops?
>>
>> I'm a bit spooked.
>>
>> ​   -- Owen​
>>
>>
>> 
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Re: [FRIAM] Cold War Jitters Resurface as U.S. Marines Arrive in Norway - The New York Times

2017-01-17 Thread Robert Wall 
Yeah, by provoking the Russians it seems Obama is trying to "salt the
earth" for the next administration.  A so-called Parthian shot
 at those that threaten to
throw his "legacy" under the bus.

No, Owen, it makes no sense, but it will fuel the post-election narrative
to come (actually already here) that will certainly be filled with sour
grapes, anxiety, anger, and hatred. Payment in full for the eight years of
obstructionism?  Not sure, but it is insane.

Or it could be Obama's handlers, the corporatocracy, trying to set the
stage for a (re)new bogeyman--Russia--to follow ISIS in order to sell arms
and Mafia-like protection.  There is big money in NATO.  Eisenhower warned
us about this--the Industrial-Military Complex.  Our economy is becoming
overly dependent on continuous war. If this is what it is, we should be
very glad that we didn't get Clinton's Kissinger-mentored militarism. This
is a full retreat to the Cold War Era of the '50s and 60s.  Should be good
for the bomb shelter industry ... again.  

I can't help noticing the sockpuppet corporate media falling in line to
promote the new narrative: "The Russians are coming" ... and "Trump is
their Manchurian candidate."  I am not at all a fan of Trump's, but this is
all bat-shit crazy. I too am a bit spooked.

-Robert


On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 10:15 AM, Owen Densmore  wrote:

> Does this make any sense? Are Norwegians concerned about a Russian
> invasion? Sounds nuts.
> ​​
> https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/16/world/europe/norway-us-
> russia-marines.html
>
> ​Poland recently​ received US military folks too:
>   https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/world/europe/as-
> trump-reaches-toward-putin-us-troops-arrive-in-poland.html
>
> It seems to be NATO sponsored but why US troops?
>
> I'm a bit spooked.
>
> ​   -- Owen​
>
>
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[FRIAM] Cold War Jitters Resurface as U.S. Marines Arrive in Norway - The New York Times

2017-01-17 Thread Owen Densmore 
Does this make any sense? Are Norwegians concerned about a Russian
invasion? Sounds nuts.
​​
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/16/world/europe/norway-us-russia-marines.html

​Poland recently​ received US military folks too:

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/12/world/europe/as-trump-reaches-toward-putin-us-troops-arrive-in-poland.html

It seems to be NATO sponsored but why US troops?

I'm a bit spooked.

​   -- Owen​

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