Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth?

2017-01-05 Thread glen ☣
On 01/04/2017 10:15 AM, Eric Charles wrote: > Sure... the situation would be improved, and we would call it a win, if we > could send Putin to the principles office... Part of my point was exactly > that it seems unlikely a public accusation by Trump would do anything towards > getting Putin to

Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth?

2017-01-04 Thread Marcus Daniels
pplied Complexity Coffee Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth? Is it a lose if your kid goes to the principal’s office for abusing his classmates, or goes to jail for a night for drunken bad behavior? Sure... the sit

Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth?

2017-01-04 Thread Vladimyr Burachynsky
Group Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth? Is it a lose if your kid goes to the principal’s office for abusing his classmates, or goes to jail for a night for drunken bad behavior? Sure... the situation would

Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth?

2017-01-04 Thread Marcus Daniels
oup <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth? Is it a lose if your kid goes to the principal’s office for abusing his classmates, or goes to jail for a night for drunken bad behavior? Sure... the

Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth?

2017-01-04 Thread Eric Charles
Is it a lose if your kid goes to the principal’s office for abusing his classmates, or goes to jail for a night for drunken bad behavior? Sure... the situation would be improved, and we would call it a win, if we could send Putin to the principles office... Part of my point was exactly that it

Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth?

2017-01-04 Thread Marcus Daniels
“Even if the intelligence community had iron clad proof, that everyone could understand and believe beyond a reasonable doubt (which they don't), it would only heighten questions about the legitimacy of Trump's win. At this point, that wouldn't be a win for Trump, or the country.” For some

Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth?

2017-01-04 Thread Owen Densmore
On Wed, Jan 4, 2017 at 9:39 AM, Prof David West wrote: > Exactly why does anyone believe anything the "intelligence" community > asserts to be the "truth?" > Ars Technica at least, believes the white house hacking report was a fail: White House fails to make case that

Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth?

2017-01-04 Thread Prof David West
Exactly why does anyone believe anything the "intelligence" community asserts to be the "truth?" Two concrete reasons I doubt their veracity at the moment: 1) I have met several members of Cozy Bear (when I was in Moscow the week before the election) who readily admit the DNC hack and

Re: [FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth?

2017-01-04 Thread Marcus Daniels
Eric writes: “Are we really going to get four years of the media trying to treat everything Trumps says as if it is a factual claim he deeply believes?” It is relevant if his supporters believe his actions come from core values that are in line with theirs. Is his drama `hyperbole truth’

[FRIAM] Trump, truth, and politics: Why do we still think Trump is acting with respect to the truth?

2017-01-04 Thread Eric Charles
CNN's home page is taken to clustering stories. In their big cover story at the moment, The main headline is that Trump mocks intelligence agencies over the claims regarding Russian hacking. "Mocks" is a not-egregious interpretations of thing things Trump has said, so that seems like