[FRIAM] It's time to redefine how data is governed, controlled and shared. Here's how | World Economic Forum

2020-01-15 Thread Tom Johnson
This link https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/01/future-of-data-protect-and-regulation/ gets me wondering A) If we see an individual's data as a fungible resource... B) If each individual or minor's guardian had total control over all aspects and permissions for usage of that data

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2020-01-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
New cultural event: Pits on the plaza! On Jan 15, 2020, at 6:14 AM, Frank Wimberly wrote:  I wonder how the Study Group would feel about nuclear reactors, however small, near the intersection of St Michaels and Cerrillos. --- Frank Wimberly My memoir:

Re: [FRIAM] It's time to redefine how data is governed, controlled and shared. Here's how | World Economic Forum

2020-01-15 Thread Prof David West
Tom, B) is the crux of the problem, and it is an extremely hard problem In limited contexts it is tractable — I consulted with a company in India that made patients information their own and not the property of drug and insurance companies. Patients could share information with care

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2020-01-15 Thread Prof David West
Eric, How about establishing a Galactic Library? Inspiration comes from a myriad of science fiction novels. Would subsume Wikipedia, the WWW, Project Gutenberg and Google's book digitization project, all the knowledge bases currently behind pay walls. the government document storage center

Re: [FRIAM] description - explanation - metaphor - model - and reply

2020-01-15 Thread Prof David West
Dear Eric and Nick, That you found value in my comments is pleasing and I thank you for your equally thoughtful response. I would be very interested in continuing the conversation (perhaps offline from FRIAM?) and seeing your insights into evolutionary theory. In furtherance of that

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2020-01-15 Thread Prof David West
Eric and Nick, Two more references for MacCormac [MacCormac 76] MacCormac, Earl R., Metaphor and Myth in Science and Religion, Durham, N. Car.: Duke University Press, 1976. [MacCormac 83] MacCormac, Earl R., "Scientific metaphors as necessary conceptual limitations of science," in The

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2020-01-15 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Just a preamble: I remember moving to Santa Fe and hating Cerrillos Rd with all it's little businesses, the trashy look, sections of ill- and un-used properties, peppered with upscale stuff in some spots. I'd moved there from Dallas, TX, where they'd rather tear down an old building than

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2020-01-15 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Did Epstein ever respond to your criticism? For what little it's worth, I disagree with your lesson. Obtuse models can be very useful. In fact, there's good reason to believe you will *never* actually understand how your model works, any more than you'll ever understand how that model's

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2020-01-15 Thread Frank Wimberly
Interesting, Glen. In Pittsburgh we lived in a neighborhood that appealed to me more than any other I have ever lived in. One block to the east of our house was the frick mansion and The Frick museum the former was a 22 room four story Victorian monstrosity which was nonetheless interesting to

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2020-01-15 Thread thompnickson2
David, Its good to hear from you. I was afraid the Holidays had devoured you. Thanks for the MacCormac references. The meditations on metaphor which you have read go way back to the 70’s and were originally entirely home grown. My take-off point was a famous article by

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2020-01-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
Glen writes: < I remember moving to Santa Fe and hating Cerrillos Rd with all it's little businesses, the trashy look, sections of ill- and un-used properties, peppered with upscale stuff in some spots. > Before brainstorming about how to integrate LANL, etc. into the St. Michael / Cerrillos

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2020-01-15 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
One example of the fine-grained downward feedbacks that can be installed is mixed-income residential requirements. Many people where we used to live complained that the people on the "other end of the street" didn't "show pride of ownership". To translate from Modern Suburban, they didn't have

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2020-01-15 Thread thompnickson2
Hi, Glen, Could you say more about the heuristic value of obtuse models? N Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ -Original Message- From: Friam On Behalf Of u?l? ? Sent:

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2020-01-15 Thread Merle Lefkoff
Hi Marcus, My client many years ago was Los Alamos County. They hired my consulting firm to design and facilitate a county-wide meeting to discuss the relationship between LANL and the citizens who lived there. When I interviewed local people prior to designing the meeting, I found a lot of

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2020-01-15 Thread Gary Schiltz
Elitism at its finest. I applaud whoever finally had the guts to speak the (their) truth. Did anyone on the LANL side have the guts to admit that that community member was right? I doubt it. On Wed, Jan 15, 2020 at 3:57 PM Merle Lefkoff wrote: > Hi Marcus, > > My client many years ago was Los

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2020-01-15 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
It would be easier if you would use a word like "artifact" or somesuch when you talk about the model absent it's contextual analogies. E.g. some yahoo back 10k years ago draws a picture and some teenage spelunker comes upon it in 2020. That picture is better described as "artifact" than

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2020-01-15 Thread thompnickson2
That IS astonishing. Clearly the lab should buy a city block and turn it back to the City for LifeStyleEnhacement. One great puzzle to me is that all the people I know in LA are some sort of libertarian. Why has not entrepreneurship risen to the challenge …er… opportunity? So, shall we open

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2020-01-15 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Did Epstein ever respond to your & Derr's response paper? Well, there are 2 ways I know of that they can help you understand a referent. There may be more. 1) Parallax 2) Expressibility If I have 1 totally opaque model of a referent, I'm limited to (2 - Expressibility), establishing what the

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2020-01-15 Thread thompnickson2
Eric, I apologize forwhat may seem sophomoric smarminess but….. To me, you are a model, right? Whatever you are, it is my model of you with which I am dealing. So, when you intend something by a model, it is a case of a model intending a model, right? So, models intend, right? So

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2020-01-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
On the topic of LANL in Santa Fe, or on the topic of the quality of life in Los Alamos itself, I am not even taking the position that the local people in the surrounding reason (e.g. Santa Fe proper) are or should be a consideration, or that anything in particular is good or bad for them. I

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2020-01-15 Thread thompnickson2
So what then IS IT about? N Nicholas Thompson Emeritus Professor of Ethology and Psychology Clark University thompnicks...@gmail.com https://wordpress.clarku.edu/nthompson/ From: Friam On Behalf Of

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2020-01-15 Thread Eric Charles
There is an interesting issue that often comes up in these contexts, in which someone asserts that the models mean something all on their own. If it is someone who has picked up our language, they might, for example, ask "What does the model intend? The Model, itself? " Glen does this by

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2020-01-15 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
To be clear I did NOT assert that a model means something on its own. Nor did I ask what the model intends. I do see a risk that others might go in that direction, though. In fact, I agree completely that models are only models by way of analogy. I'd also claim that referents can be models of

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2020-01-15 Thread Frank Wimberly
I wonder how the Study Group would feel about nuclear reactors, however small, near the intersection of St Michaels and Cerrillos. --- Frank Wimberly My memoir: https://www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly My scientific publications:

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2020-01-15 Thread thompnickson2
Marcus, This behavior difference tells a lot. I dunno about SFI. The more I dealt with them up there, the more I felt there were mostly a bunch of strivers hoping that the Call to Hah-vud would come before the soft money ran out. Some wonderful exceptions, but still. Speaking of

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2020-01-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
Like cities, the great thing about organizations is that there are so many to choose from. From: Friam on behalf of "thompnicks...@gmail.com" Reply-To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group Date: Wednesday, January 15, 2020 at 7:57 PM To: 'The Friday Morning Applied Complexity

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2020-01-15 Thread Marcus Daniels
Nick writes: “So what then IS IT about?” Something called work/life balance. That’s a thing, I’m told.It is facilitated by lots of federal money sloshing around, and having free time on your hands. https://www.lanl.gov/careers/life-at-lab/index.php I would contrast it against working

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2020-01-15 Thread Eric Charles
Nick, ... come on man 1) You can't infinite regress until you know what a single iteration entails. It does no good to try to convince me it is "turtles all the way down" before we have at least some agreement about what the heck a turtle is. 2) Infinite regress is not always the right way

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2020-01-15 Thread glen
I tried to restrain myself and let Marcus speak for himself ... but the following makes it obvious: > However, even when one expects the > anglo-invaders to assert whatever they want from the environment, they >don’t really seem to want to do much. On January 15, 2020 2:23:07 PM PST,