Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-03-19 Thread Roger Critchlow
Ah, here's an article about Peterson that touches on the evolutionary psych angle, http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2018/03/19/jordan-peterson-and-fascist-mysticism/ but what's a little pseudo-science among fascist mystics? -- rec -- On Fri, Mar 9, 2018 at 1:43 PM, uǝlƃ ☣

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-03-09 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Well, again caveat my ignorance, many of these evolutionary justifications seem to ignore any possible eusocial effects. The idea of transgenders showing a predisposition to hair dressing BEGS us to make a spitball eusocial (or at least semiotic) evolutionary argument ... you know, the

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-03-09 Thread Marcus Daniels
I thought of that factoid when looking over some of Peterson's remarks. If this is generally true in the population, is it because of nature vs. nurture? I anecdotally had the experience it was true, and that (just now) made me go look to see if there was any research on it. Lady Gaga's

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-03-09 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Weird paper! Right off the bat, I'm not surprised by the inference that people who entertain the idea of being a different gender would test with higher IQs. But I *am* surprised by their abilities to draw! Surely the authors cherry-picked the good ones and the rest were as crappy as my own

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-03-08 Thread Marcus Daniels
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Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-03-08 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Ah! OK. I take it that you're not looking at any of Peterson's videos, then ... only at the commentary about his videos/lectures/book, etc. I also hear you when you say you haven't seen evidence that Peterson is an evolutionary psychologist (because his Wikipedia page or whatever doesn't

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-03-08 Thread Roger Critchlow
I'm not finding any pseudo-scientific arguments in the stuff I'm looking at. It's just typical conservative rhetoric: my rights, my rights! the marxists, the marxists! all to defend the established order at any cost. I guess this article,

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-03-08 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
I'm confused by your use of "again". This all smacks of pseudoscience, similar to the anti-vaxxers and the hyped claims of chemicals like reseveratrol or bee pollen. Perhaps you're using a focused definition of "pseudoscience"? For me, it's basically any claim dressed up in the trappings of

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-03-08 Thread Roger Critchlow
Here's another take on Jordan Peterson from The Medium by a guy who also got the recommendation from YouTube. Sounds like Peterson's campaign against the Canadian civil rights legislation was a bunch of hooey, too.

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-03-01 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
That's a great way to phrase the question. It highlights, I think, that evolutionary _psychology_ is a bit strange. It's much stranger than, say, the article Roger posted, which refers to evolutionary anthropology. In this question, there are 2 concrete things: 1) the extent to which

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-03-01 Thread Prof David West
An observation, if this thread is not totally abandoned. Last Thursday night I had a conversation with Brigham Young. (I am a huge fan of and explorer of altered states of consciousness, so take that statement as denoting an experience that my mind turned into a visual/audio metaphor.) One of the

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-25 Thread Edward Angel
Both the Lena image and the Utah Teapot have their own wikipedia pages. I was working with the image processing group at USC when they started using the Lena image as their standard test image. Before that they had been using what they all called the “girl image” which was probably from the

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-25 Thread Steven A Smith
I appreciate and second Ed's observaions here.  While my own role as an instructor during this period was very limited.   I was first a student *among* CS majors (I was a Physics/Math major with a CS minor) in the 70's when it was all pretty new by some measure and the participation by women was

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-24 Thread Edward Angel
I found the email with David’s question for me re the Lena image. I don’t think the Lena image had anything significant to do with the decline in the percentage of women going into CS. It was a very limited group of people that actually dealt with or even saw the image. And they were almost all

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-23 Thread Roger Critchlow
Jordan Peterson doesn't list evolutionary psychology anywhere in his wikipedia article. He paints himself as much more of the Carl Jung variety psychologizer, which makes sense since his PhD is in Clinical Psychology. Then he tacks on Soren Kierkegaard and Paul Tillich as influences, which puts

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-23 Thread ∄ uǝʃƃ
On 02/23/2018 07:12 AM, Nick Thompson wrote: > I think one is an evolutionary psychologist if and only if one thinks that > knowledge of human evolutionary history has something to contribute to our > understanding of contemporary human behavior. So, yes, you may call me an > evolutionary

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-23 Thread Nick Thompson
- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of glen Sent: Friday, February 23, 2018 7:28 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology? OK. So if you're not sure how to make a case

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-23 Thread glen
OK. So if you're not sure how to make a case *like* the one Peterson makes, and I'm allowed to call you an evolutionary psychologist, then I can say, at least, Peterson's argument is unjustified. ... or at least not well enough justified, even in the domain in which he works. Combined with

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-22 Thread Nick Thompson
[mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of u?l? ? Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 6:09 PM To: FriAM <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology? OK. It's good to have you respond directly to the physiology stuff. Thanks. Yes, I tried to r

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-22 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
OK. It's good to have you respond directly to the physiology stuff. Thanks. Yes, I tried to respond to your causal model question. My response is basically that any causal analysis should target the parts on the "critical path" ... the bottlenecks ... the "rate limiters" ... whatever your

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-22 Thread Nick Thompson
.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology? Hm. To be clear, I'm not only talking about the testes and adrenals. I'm talking about the parts of the system that are modulated by testosterone as well ... which, given that testosterone partly determines our g

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-22 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Hm. To be clear, I'm not only talking about the testes and adrenals. I'm talking about the parts of the system that are modulated by testosterone as well ... which, given that testosterone partly determines our gender-associated traits, seems like a "behavior of the individual organism". So,

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-22 Thread Nick Thompson
University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of u?l? ? Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 3:31 PM To: FriAM <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolut

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-22 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
That's not at all the distinction I'm making (never mind "precisely"). 8^) All 3 of us are talking about selecting for behavior. The difference is that I'm claiming "expressing and responding to testosterone" is a behavior. On 02/22/2018 01:39 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: > I feel mildly a

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-22 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Well, since you're talking about sneezing, and because sneezing is a physiological process, whatever model of cause we use will have to involve the physiological process. I'd claim that, if not identical, very close to the exact same physiological process occurs in the body when you sneeze

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-22 Thread Steven A Smith
hompson > Emeritus Professor of Psychology and Biology > Clark University > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > -Original Message- > From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 2:

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-22 Thread Nick Thompson
[mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of u?l? ? Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2018 10:39 AM To: FriAM <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology? Neither, obviously. The proximal cause of sneezing is a complex of neuro-muscular behaviors. That compl

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-22 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Neither, obviously. The proximal cause of sneezing is a complex of neuro-muscular behaviors. That complex has an untold number of triggers, from bright lights and sound to tickling. Any competent analysis of such causation will focus on the *bottleneck*, which is the neuro-muscular complex,

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-22 Thread Nick Thompson
ary 22, 2018 7:08 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology? Nick, Is it possible that "behavioral patterns" is similar to what I called "dominant themes of motivation&

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-22 Thread ∄ uǝʃƃ
But, again, testosterone obviously plays more roles in our behaviors than a behavior pattern of "tad more assertive". Do you mean animals with ZERO testosterone are the control and those with some tiny amount are a tad more assertive? Or do you mean the (fictitious) average person who takes

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-22 Thread Frank Wimberly
un...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith > Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 2:40 PM > To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> > Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology? > > Glen - > > OK. But I believe

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-21 Thread Nick Thompson
al Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of Steven A Smith Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 2:40 PM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology? Glen - > OK.

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-21 Thread Steven A Smith
Glen - > OK. But I believe I merely asked the question: Why talk about these vague > behaviors like "dress for sex", when we can talk about reasonably > well-defined things like hormones and neurotransmitters? What explanatory > power does evopsych have that, say, evolutionary neuroscience

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-21 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
OK. But I believe I merely asked the question: Why talk about these vague behaviors like "dress for sex", when we can talk about reasonably well-defined things like hormones and neurotransmitters? What explanatory power does evopsych have that, say, evolutionary neuroscience would not have?

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-21 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
No, I don't agree. I had intended to reply to Dave's (twice repeated) question about the speed of evolution with this response. But I'll do it, here, anyway. Remember that I'm not a biologist. So, corrections of what I say are more than welcome. It seems to me that natural selection is

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-21 Thread Steven A Smith
Glen > No, I don't agree. I had intended to reply to Dave's (twice repeated) > question about the speed of evolution with this response. But I'll do it, > here, anyway. Remember that I'm not a biologist. So, corrections of what I > say are more than welcome. It seems to me that natural

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-21 Thread Steven A Smith
Glen - > Re: artificial distinctions -- > Allergy? No. The word "allergy" implies something like an *unhealthy*, more > than normal, immune response. My take would be that my (yes, abnormally > high) immune response to artificial discretization is *healthy* and > appropriate. Those of you

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-21 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Re: artificial distinctions -- Allergy? No. The word "allergy" implies something like an *unhealthy*, more than normal, immune response. My take would be that my (yes, abnormally high) immune response to artificial discretization is *healthy* and appropriate. Those of you who don't have

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-21 Thread Nick Thompson
Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of u?l? ? Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2018 10:42 AM To: FriAM <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology? I realized last night that someone might think my response is either

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-21 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
I realized last night that someone might think my response is either a) moving the goal posts or b) nonsequitur, since it seems obvious that behaviors at the organism layer are categorically different from behaviors at the organ layer. What seems obvious is often misleading. So, I figured I'd

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-20 Thread Frank Wimberly
Freud (bad word) tried to answer the last question in "Future of an Illusion". Frank Frank Wimberly www.amazon.com/author/frankwimberly https://www.researchgate.net/profile/Frank_Wimberly2 Phone (505) 670-9918 On Feb 20, 2018 3:41 PM, "Prof David West" wrote: >

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-20 Thread Prof David West
High heels and platform shoes were originally a male fashion statement. Louis XIV fancied himself a dancer and made skin tight, body revealing clothing de rigueur for everyone at court just so he could show of his beautiful legs. There are numerous cultures — some, who were able to avoid the

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-20 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
On 02/20/2018 02:14 PM, Nick Thompson wrote: > Well, the reason we don't talk about oxytocin, or dopamine, or even > testosterone, much, is that they aren't behaviors. Yes, they are behaviors. When we talk about something like a hormone, we're not really talking about the molecule, are we?

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-20 Thread Nick Thompson
Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of u?l? ? Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 2:16 PM To: FriAM <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] t

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-20 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
On 02/20/2018 12:26 PM, Steven A Smith wrote: > I doubt that Nick nor I believe that *every* thought is traceable back > to some prehistoric evolutionary trait". 8^) I know. I'm just trolling you. But the bait I'm trying to use is important. > Female "display" is the one I identified here.  

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-20 Thread Steven A Smith
On 2/20/18 12:14 PM, uǝlƃ ☣ wrote: > It seems to me the best way to have the conversation is to see the "women at > the GG" topic as the exact same (pseudoscience) as the "alpha male" nonsense > invoked by Peterson. Both you and Steve seem to have succumbed to the "every > thought is

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-20 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
It seems to me the best way to have the conversation is to see the "women at the GG" topic as the exact same (pseudoscience) as the "alpha male" nonsense invoked by Peterson. Both you and Steve seem to have succumbed to the "every thought is tracable back to some prehistoric evolutionary

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-20 Thread Nick Thompson
f Psychology and Biology Clark University http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ -Original Message- From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of u?l? ? Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2018 10:28 AM To: FriAM <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the pseudosci

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-20 Thread Steven A Smith
> Since the horse isn't quite dead: I think the horse has barely been flicked with the tip of the quirt... or perhaps it is the wrong horse which we are flogging, or both? 1. Is it possible that female hominids, specifically "modern women", are responding to their own instinctual responses

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-20 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Hm. It's the same link. And your email program didn't mess it up because I just clicked on it in your response and it worked. Perhaps there's a problem with https? Whatever, here is the full article: https://medium.com/@drjasonfung/how-to-not-beat-cancer-d0e9571e8792

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-20 Thread Nick Thompson
[FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology? Since the horse isn't quite dead: Women must have the right to bare their arms without comment <https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/19/women-right-bare-arms-canada-prime-minister-kim-campbell> https://www.theguardian.com/c

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-20 Thread ∄ uǝʃƃ
Since the horse isn't quite dead: Women must have the right to bare their arms without comment https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/feb/19/women-right-bare-arms-canada-prime-minister-kim-campbell "I look at that photo now and see someone who was actually really shy and uncomfortable

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-16 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
I'm not a psychologist but I currently work in the field of AI deep learning and this is modeled on the human brain, so let me comment on Dave's question from my insight I developed working in this field. In addition to the evospych component of human behavior, the human brain also works like a

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-16 Thread Prof David West
Another question for Nick -- does evolutionary psychology hold that every psychological behavior is explainable, at least in principle, or are some behaviors / some psychological states outside the purview of evospych? For example, is the an evolutionary explanation for the observed behavior

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-16 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Excellent contribution! Thanks, Nick. Of course, your arguments, in this letter, are primarily academic. So, they won't grip the populace in the way Peterson's have (unless you launch a marketing campaign like he did, of course). But I found the biased sample argument plausible as

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-16 Thread Prof David West
Some questions for Nick and one for Ed Angel Peterson's "alpha male" silliness seemed to have prompted this thread but I wonder if a different example might advance the discussion more productively, especially since, I suspect, most everyone on the list would dismiss Peterson as inane. The

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-16 Thread glen
Nobody's talking about debunking an entire domain. As Nick argues in the 1st paper and the quote from the Wikipedia page argues, it makes the most sense to treat particular hypotheses. So I asked for testable hypotheses involving the alpha male concept and, in particular, Peterson's

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-16 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
IMO it's going to be difficult to debunk evolutionary psychology. It is a valid part of the medley of components of psychology and sociology. But is it the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth? No, certainly not. There is much more to human behavior than evolutionary psychology.

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-15 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
But your point *did* come through. Peterson's (and many people's) conception of the "alpha male" (or "alpha female" for Frank), has become second nature. It's everywhere in our culture. And it is ripe for a debunking that is complete enough to GRIP the populace. Dave's debunking is right, I

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-15 Thread Nick Thompson
February 14, 2018 12:24 PM To: FriAM <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology? Having skimmed your paper, I think the wikipedia quote is adequate and more appropriate simply because it's shorter: >From ><https://en.wikip

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-15 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Exactly! So, it seems most reasonable to assume that the style of the clothing one wears to an awards ceremony, including how much skin is exposed, has more to do with cultural and clique norms than a "desire to be desired", whatever that may mean. On 02/15/2018 08:16 AM, Frank Wimberly

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-15 Thread Frank Wimberly
>-Original Message- > >From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of u?l? ? > >Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:46 PM > >To: FriAM > >Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology? > > > >Your questions seem to assume

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-15 Thread glen
of the women on the Golden Globes program, which >seems correct to me. > >Frank > >-Original Message- >From: Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] On Behalf Of u?l? ? >Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 4:46 PM >To: FriAM >Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutio

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-14 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
iversity > > http://home.earthlink.net/~nickthompson/naturaldesigns/ > > > > *From:* Friam [mailto:friam-boun...@redfish.com] *On Behalf Of *Pieter > Steenekamp > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:20 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > f

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-14 Thread Marcus Daniels
lexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology? This is not particularly relevant to Dave's essay but was stimulated by his questions about physical attraction between genders. I was puzzled while watching the Golden Globes (for a few m

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-14 Thread Frank Wimberly
PM To: FriAM Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology? Your questions seem to assume that the only reason to expose one's body is to be desired. I know that *I* don't wear shorts in the summer so that I'll be desired by the women (or men) in my neighborhood. 8^) One

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-14 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Your questions seem to assume that the only reason to expose one's body is to be desired. I know that *I* don't wear shorts in the summer so that I'll be desired by the women (or men) in my neighborhood. 8^) One reason I try to expose my arms even when I'm cold is in order to increase my cold

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-14 Thread Frank Wimberly
This is not particularly relevant to Dave's essay but was stimulated by his questions about physical attraction between genders. I was puzzled while watching the Golden Globes (for a few minutes) by the apparent conflict between the themes of "Me Too" and "Time's Up"(?) and the very provocative

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-14 Thread Prof David West
Until this week I was blissfully unaware of Jordan Petersen. Two hours of YouTube research later my beta male mellow has been well and truly harshed. Be that as it may, the area of "evolutionary psychology" is interesting and I would like to respond to Nick's request to discuss it further. I

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-14 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
Having skimmed your paper, I think the wikipedia quote is adequate and more appropriate simply because it's shorter: From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_evolutionary_psychology#Testability > Leda Cosmides argued in an interview: > > "Those who have a professional knowledge of

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-14 Thread Nick Thompson
r Steenekamp Sent: Wednesday, February 14, 2018 9:20 AM To: The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group <friam@redfish.com> Subject: Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology? It may be difficult to quantify evolutionary psychology, but that does not mean it is pseudosc

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-14 Thread uǝlƃ ☣
On 02/14/2018 08:20 AM, Pieter Steenekamp wrote: > It may be difficult to quantify evolutionary psychology, but that does not > mean it is pseudoscience. Like string theory that's also difficult to > quantify, the scientific method is also applicable to evolutionary psychology. But is it really

Re: [FRIAM] the pseudoscience of evolutionary psychology?

2018-02-14 Thread Pieter Steenekamp
It may be difficult to quantify evolutionary psychology, but that does not mean it is pseudoscience. Like string theory that's also difficult to quantify, the scientific method is also applicable to evolutionary psychology. I support the view as expressed in