On Thu, Jul 13, 2006 at 04:11:14PM +0200, Tonnerre Lombard wrote:
> Salut,
>
> On Thu, 2006-06-29 at 20:55 +, Bill Weiss wrote:
> > In case others didn't catch it, IQ is _defined_ as a normal distribution
> > with the mid-point at 100. Thus, half of the population has a
> > double-digit IQ.
Salut,
On Thu, 2006-06-29 at 20:55 +, Bill Weiss wrote:
> In case others didn't catch it, IQ is _defined_ as a normal distribution
> with the mid-point at 100. Thus, half of the population has a
> double-digit IQ. The criteria for a 100 IQ is recalculated every once in
> a while to maintain
> C|Net isn't the underground, nor is the NCSA who made the announcement
> they reported (June 27, 1997):
> http://news.com.com/2100-1023-200992.html
I think we all got this wrong, the subject line asks:
"Are consumers being misled by "phishing"?"
Answer: Yes.
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n3td3v wrote:
>> : They brought in "phishing" in 2003. The actual act of phishing had been
>> : going on for years before the phrase was coined. Since the beginning of
>>
>> The term was coined long before 2003.
>>
>> March 3, 1996:
>> http://web.textfiles.com/ezines/LOLIE/1lolie.txt
>>
>> May 8, 1
On 30/06/06 16:20 +1000, Josh L. Perrymon wrote:
>
> One interesting note about the site above is that it seems to relay it's
> data back to the attacker using POST instead of relying on an underlying
> mail program/script..
>
Interesting? I haven't seen the formail kind of phishes for a couple o
On 6/29/06, Josh L. Perrymon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Most companies believe that blocking HTML in email handicaps emails
effectiveness.. ( screw the newsletters.. put it on a website )
Hehe, agree with you there.
Network Protection:
I believe that it's possible to develop "widgets" to
-Original Message-From: Ajay Pal Singh Atwal [mailto:
[EMAIL PROTECTED]]Sent: Friday, 30 June 2006 2:46 PMTo: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.ukSubject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Are consumers being misled by "phishing"?
Here is one phishing site for paypal
http://www.yourfre
Here is one phishing site for paypal
http://www.yourfreespace.net/users/payal/webscr_cmd=_login-run.html
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On 6/29/06, security curmudgeon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
: There are a million books on phishing in borders book store, if the
: phishing phrase hadn't been coined, a lot of people wouldn't be
: millionaires right now.
:
: They brought in "phishing" in 2003. The actual act of phishing had been
from www.419legal.org:
What is the annual loss associated with the Nigerian 419 Scams?
According to statistics released by the FBI, annual losses around the
world exceed US$ 200 million per annum.
I'd say it's pretty freaking profitable. There are publicly traded
companies that make less
from www.419legal.org:
What is the annual loss associated with the Nigerian 419 Scams?
According to statistics released by the FBI, annual losses around the
world exceed US$ 200 million per annum.
I'd say it's pretty freaking profitable. There are publicly traded
companies that make less
neil davis([EMAIL PROTECTED])@Thu, Jun 29, 2006 at 12:31:11PM -0400:
> 419's are distinguishable from phish's in that nearly every 419 offers
> you something for nothing beyond supplying a complete stranger with your
> bank account info. This is easily picked out as a scam by anyone with a
> modicu
: There are a million books on phishing in borders book store, if the
: phishing phrase hadn't been coined, a lot of people wouldn't be
: millionaires right now.
:
: They brought in "phishing" in 2003. The actual act of phishing had been
: going on for years before the phrase was coined. Since
> They brought in "phishing" in 2003. The actual act of phishing had
>>Nope, we had 419's a.k.a. Nigerian Scams. Similar? yes.
419's are not phishing. They never represent themselves as a well known
brand name to fool customers into giving their account info to "support"
or "sales" or "billing" be
Someone calling you on the phone and trying to con you? Yep, happens tons.
Show me one phone phishing from years ago and I will eat any hat you like.
Show me more than one and I will eat 2 hats.
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http://www.phonebusters.com/english/statistics.html
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YES! (just responding to the subject line. Gather that, eh? Consumers are
misled by phishing! Wow!
> Kiddie flaming mood?
It happens. I will get tired after this post (most likely).
> Its not about being annonying, its about misleading the consumer with
> catch phrases to describe social enginee
ew exploitation technics, then you
can start to show off how great you are.
Until then go back into your basement and stfu.
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From: "n3td3v" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Thursday, June 29, 2006 12:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Are consumers bei
On 6/29/06, Gadi Evron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I guess I'm in kiddie flaming mood this week. About time too, been a
while.
Kiddie flaming mood?
> I believe the industry coined up "phishing" to make more money out of
> social engineering. Its obvious now that both are over lapping. Only
>
I guess I'm in kiddie flaming mood this week. About time too, been a
while.
> I believe the industry coined up "phishing" to make more money out of
> social engineering. Its obvious now that both are over lapping. Only
> the other day Gadi Evron was trying to coin up a phrase for "voice
> phishing
n3td3v wrote:
I believe the industry coined up "phishing" to make more money out of
social engineering. Its obvious now that both are over lapping. Only
the other day Gadi Evron was trying to coin up a phrase for "voice
phishing". Why can't we cut to the chase and drop the (ph)rases and
call it s
Because it is not only social engineering. There are two parts of the
attack 1) social engineering aspect and 2) technical subterfuge. A
trojan that changes your local host file is not social engineering. This
trojan can be downloaded via a hole in your ie browser with no much
effort from an attack
On Wed, 2006-06-28 at 18:26 +0100, n3td3v wrote:
> I believe the industry coined up "phishing" to make more money out of
> social engineering.
So far as I can tell, the term "phishing" was not coined by industry,
but by the "phishers" themselves. I remember "phishing" as being the
term for peopl
On 6/29/06, n3td3v <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I believe the industry coined up "phishing" to make more money out of
social engineering. Its obvious now that both are over lapping. Only
the other day Gadi Evron was trying to coin up a phrase for "voice
phishing". Why can't we cut to the chase and
I believe the industry coined up "phishing" to make more money out of
social engineering. Its obvious now that both are over lapping. Only
the other day Gadi Evron was trying to coin up a phrase for "voice
phishing". Why can't we cut to the chase and drop the (ph)rases and
call it straight forward
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