Re: [Full-disclosure] Google's robots.txt handling

2012-12-14 Thread Julius Kivimäki
United States law is opt-in for Fortune 500 companies. 2012/12/14 Jeffrey Walton noloa...@gmail.com On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Philip Whitehouse phi...@whiuk.com wrote: I restate my email's second point. Google is indexing robots.txt because (from all the examples I can see)

Re: [Full-disclosure] Google's robots.txt handling

2012-12-13 Thread Mario Vilas
That paragraph says pretty much the exact opposite of what you understood. Also, could we please stop refuting points nobody even made in the first place? OP never claimed this to be a vulnerability, nor ever said robots.txt is a proper security mechanism to hide files in public web directories.

Re: [Full-disclosure] Google's robots.txt handling

2012-12-13 Thread Lehman, Jim
...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Christoph Gruber Sent: Wednesday, December 12, 2012 3:19 AM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] Google's robots.txt handling On 12.12.2012 at 00:23 Lehman, Jim jim.leh...@interactivedata.com wrote: It is possible to use white listing

Re: [Full-disclosure] Google's robots.txt handling

2012-12-13 Thread Philip Whitehouse
I restate my email's second point. Google is indexing robots.txt because (from all the examples I can see) robots.txt doesn't contain a line to disallow indexing of robots.txt It is possible that some web sites provide actual content in a file that happens to be called robots.txt (e.g a

Re: [Full-disclosure] Google's robots.txt handling

2012-12-13 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Thu, Dec 13, 2012 at 7:52 AM, Philip Whitehouse phi...@whiuk.com wrote: I restate my email's second point. Google is indexing robots.txt because (from all the examples I can see) robots.txt doesn't contain a line to disallow indexing of robots.txt It is possible that some web sites

Re: [Full-disclosure] Google's robots.txt handling

2012-12-12 Thread Lehman, Jim
...@lists.grok.org.uk [mailto:full-disclosure-boun...@lists.grok.org.uk] On Behalf Of Hurgel Bumpf Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 11:26 AM To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: [Full-disclosure] Google's robots.txt handling Hi list, i tried to contact google, but as they didn't answer my

Re: [Full-disclosure] Google's robots.txt handling

2012-12-12 Thread Christoph Gruber
On 12.12.2012 at 00:23 Lehman, Jim jim.leh...@interactivedata.com wrote: It is possible to use white listing for robots.txt. Allow what you want google to index and deny everything else. That way google doesn't make you a goole dork target and someone browsing to your robots.txt file doesn't

Re: [Full-disclosure] Google's robots.txt handling

2012-12-12 Thread Patrick Webster
I wouldn't consider this an issue. If Google didn't do this, someone else would have (e.g. my rather old http://www.aushack.com/robanukah/ does it but I never bothered to index the web at large). I believe it was suggested to Shodan and others, so it was only a matter of time. If anything, Google

Re: [Full-disclosure] Google's robots.txt handling

2012-12-11 Thread Benji
What we need is a robots2.txt that defines what users are allowed to access the robots.txt file. Problem solved. On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 11:33 PM, Gynvael Coldwind gynv...@coldwind.plwrote: Hey, Here is an example: An admin has a public webservice running with folders containing

Re: [Full-disclosure] Google's robots.txt handling

2012-12-11 Thread Philip Whitehouse
This is not a strong argument. When you opt out of marketing companies store your email on a blacklist. It's necessary. If the contents is publicly visible then it is not a good place to put such information you highlight below. Moreover it only needs to be in robots.txt if its browsable. If

Re: [Full-disclosure] Google's robots.txt handling

2012-12-11 Thread Stefan Edwards
On Mon, Dec 10, 2012 at 3:21 PM, James Lay j...@slave-tothe-box.net wrote: On 2012-12-10 12:25, Hurgel Bumpf wrote: Hi list, i tried to contact google, but as they didn't answer my email, i do forward this to FD. This security feature is not cleary a google vulnerability, but

Re: [Full-disclosure] Google's robots.txt handling

2012-12-11 Thread Denis McMahon
On 10/12/12 19:25, Hurgel Bumpf wrote: I tried to contact google, but as they didn't answer my email, I do forward this to FD. This shouldn't be a discussion about bad practice but the google feature itself. I seem to recall that the robots.txt exclusion standard was fairly common before

Re: [Full-disclosure] Google's robots.txt handling

2012-12-11 Thread Gildseth, Tommy
On 2012-12-10 12:25, Hurgel Bumpf wrote: Hi list, i tried to contact google, but as they didn't answer my email, i do forward this to FD. This security feature is not cleary a google vulnerability, but exposes websites informations that are not really intended to be public.

Re: [Full-disclosure] Google's robots.txt handling

2012-12-11 Thread Scott Ferguson
/From/: Hurgel Bumpf l0rd_lunatic () yahoo com /Date/: Mon, 10 Dec 2012 19:25:39 + (GMT) Hi list, i tried to contact google, but as they didn't answer my email, i do forward this to FD. This security feature is

Re: [Full-disclosure] Google's robots.txt handling

2012-12-11 Thread Swair Mehta
Coldwind is right, u r talking about security through obscurity. If u tell a pentester that u r using joomla and php together, he/she will try yourwebsite.com/administrator Since if u r ignorant and havent blocked access to it, your joomla access page will show up and hydra/brutus will be able

Re: [Full-disclosure] Google's robots.txt handling

2012-12-11 Thread Ulisses Montenegro
If I understand the OP correctly, he is not stating that listing something in robots.txt would make it inaccessible, but rather that Google indexes the robots.txt files themselves, and makes the contexts of those available for query. So, in a way, they make it easier for Google search results

Re: [Full-disclosure] Google's robots.txt handling

2012-12-11 Thread Philip Whitehouse
Is this the case even when there is an entry in robots.txt for robots.txt Philip Whitehouse On 11 Dec 2012, at 12:22, Ulisses Montenegro ulisses.montene...@gmail.com wrote: If I understand the OP correctly, he is not stating that listing something in robots.txt would make it inaccessible,

[Full-disclosure] Google's robots.txt handling

2012-12-10 Thread Hurgel Bumpf
Hi list, i tried to contact google, but as they didn't answer my email,  i do forward this to FD. This security feature is not cleary a google vulnerability, but exposes websites informations that are not really intended to be public. (Additionally i have to say that i advocate robots.txt

Re: [Full-disclosure] Google's robots.txt handling

2012-12-10 Thread James Lay
On 2012-12-10 12:25, Hurgel Bumpf wrote: Hi list, i tried to contact google, but as they didn't answer my email,  i do forward this to FD. This security feature is not cleary a google vulnerability, but exposes websites informations that are not really intended to be public.

Re: [Full-disclosure] Google's robots.txt handling

2012-12-10 Thread Gynvael Coldwind
Hey, Here is an example: An admin has a public webservice running with folders containing sensitive informations. Enter these folders in his robots.txt and protect them from the indexing process of spiders. As he doesn't want the /admin/ gui to appear in the search results he also