Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-05-13 Thread Dan Tulovsky
Actually, the only thing boring here is your rant. On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 4:01 AM, wac waldoalvare...@gmail.com wrote: So many ppl waste so much time in dead end technology. Amazing. I once purchased a Mac and that's because it was old and extremely cheap. Didn't even used it. Nothing worked

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-05-11 Thread wac
So many ppl waste so much time in dead end technology. Amazing. I once purchased a Mac and that's because it was old and extremely cheap. Didn't even used it. Nothing worked there. It hanged, the harddrive always got wrong bits in the bitmap after the hang. I wasted my money. Apple users are

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-05-11 Thread Christian Sciberras
And then they say I'm an Apple hater. lol On Wed, May 11, 2011 at 10:01 AM, wac waldoalvare...@gmail.com wrote: So many ppl waste so much time in dead end technology. Amazing. I once purchased a Mac and that's because it was old and extremely cheap. Didn't even used it. Nothing worked

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-05-04 Thread Jeffrey Walton
iOS 4.3.3 is now available. From the two iPhone forensics books I have, trimming the location database (consolidated.db) is like sticking your thumb in a hole in a New Orleans levy. It ain't gonna help much. Jeff ___ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-29 Thread Christian Sciberras
Speak about bullshit. Tomtom has that listed in their EULA, unlike Apple (who needs an EULA when fanboys follow blindly?) Besides of which, the police already can be granted (upon request) access to servers (where your data is already stored in plain text), so I don't see the big deal. But hey,

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-29 Thread Valdis . Kletnieks
On Fri, 29 Apr 2011 08:25:04 +0200, Christian Sciberras said: Besides of which, the police already can be granted (upon request) access to servers (where your data is already stored in plain text), so I don't see the big deal. This is one of those places where details count. In some

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-29 Thread Christian Sciberras
The *real* problem is if you're in a jurisdiction like Michigan, which seems to think it's OK to hoover all the data out of electronic devices at a traffic stop. Regardless of whether they are given access or not, the major concern isn't that, but rather whether they *can* or *can't*.

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-28 Thread Ivan .
and now tom tom as well http://crave.cnet.co.uk/cartech/tomtom-admits-to-sending-your-routes-and-speed-information-to-the-police-50003618/ On Thu, Apr 28, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Ivan . ivan...@gmail.com wrote: stevie says it just a bug, a patented bug

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-27 Thread nix
M$ are in the love in http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20057329-281.html On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Ivan . ivan...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting write up, and apparently old news If you have jailbroken your phone, just use cydia and search for tool 'Untrackerd' to fix this

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-27 Thread Ivan .
stevie says it just a bug, a patented bug http://gawker.com/?_escaped_fragment_=5795442/apple-patent-reveals-extensive-stalking-plans#!5795442/apple-patent-reveals-extensive-stalking-plans On Wed, Apr 27, 2011 at 8:46 PM, n...@myproxylists.com wrote: M$ are in the love in

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-26 Thread Ivan .
Interesting write up, and apparently old news https://alexlevinson.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/3-major-issues-with-the-latest-iphone-tracking-discovery/ On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 1:59 PM, mark seiden m...@seiden.com wrote: yes, that's right. on one of the forensics lists someone pointed out

[Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage: Levinson write-up [Re: Full-Disclosure Digest, Vol 74, Issue 47]

2011-04-26 Thread SMiller
On Tue, 26 Apr 2011 20:12:02 +1000, Ivan . ivan...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting write up, and apparently old news https://alexlevinson.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/3-major-issues-with-the-latest-iphone-tracking-discovery/ I agree that it was interesting, and raised some pertinent points. However,

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-26 Thread Ivan .
M$ are in the love in http://news.cnet.com/8301-31921_3-20057329-281.html On Tue, Apr 26, 2011 at 8:12 PM, Ivan . ivan...@gmail.com wrote: Interesting write up, and apparently old news

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-21 Thread Ivan .
Its maker, Israel-based Cellbrite, says it can copy all the content in a cell phone -- including contacts, text messages, call history, and pictures -- within a few minutes. Even deleted texts and other data can be restored by UFED 2.0, the latest version of the product, it says.

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-21 Thread darthludi
On 20.04.2011 21:05, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: For those of you who have not seen this yet: http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/04/apple-location-tracking.html Theres no

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-21 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 3:30 PM, darthludi darthl...@gmail.com wrote: On 20.04.2011 21:05, Thor (Hammer of God) wrote: For those of you who have not seen this yet: http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/04/apple-location-tracking.html [image: Description: Description: Description:

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-21 Thread Michael Holstein
While Android doesn't write the info to local storage, there is a lot of interesting information stored in the debug log (RSSI, etc.) that could be used to determine a coarse location/track. And some helpful chap wrote this in response to the Apple fiasco :

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-21 Thread Brandon Matthews
I've been poring over my phone's data, and I'm not sure if the resolution is just very low, or if it's logging the locations of towers and not my phone. Ex: http://imgur.com/2m5tO I'm going to xref with FCC databases soon to try and find out. B (Not speaking for Cisco, only for myself and

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-21 Thread Cal Leeming
Yet another reason for me to never buy an apple product. 3 On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:11 PM, Michele Orru antisnatc...@gmail.comwrote: Already twitted today. Pretty scary btw. I hope there's not the equivalent for Android. antisnatchor -- Thor (Hammer of

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-21 Thread Cal Leeming
The state police responded by saying they would provide the information only in return for a payment of $544,680. The ACLU found the charge outrageous. LFMAO On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 1:37 AM, Ivan . ivan...@gmail.com wrote: the Police can slurp it up with there new toy

[Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-20 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
For those of you who have not seen this yet: http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/04/apple-location-tracking.html [Description: Description: Description: cid:image001.png@01CBA43F.5B83F2A0] There's no reason to think outside the box if you don't think yourself into it. My newest book: Thor's

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-20 Thread Michele Orru
Already twitted today. Pretty scary btw. I hope there's not the equivalent for Android. antisnatchor Thor (Hammer of God) April 20, 2011 9:05 PM

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-20 Thread Michael Holstein
Pretty scary btw. I hope there's not the equivalent for Android. TFA says the researchers searched the android code for a similar functionality and didn't find it. Doesn't mean it's not there, but since anyone can git the android repository and look at the source, it's a lot more likely to

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-20 Thread Thor (Hammer of God)
To: full-disclosure@lists.grok.org.uk Subject: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage For those of you who have not seen this yet: http://radar.oreilly.com/2011/04/apple-location-tracking.html [Description: Description: Description: cid:image001.png@01CBA43F.5B83F2A0] There's no reason to think

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-20 Thread Marcio B. Jr.
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Michael Holstein michael.holst...@csuohio.edu wrote: Pretty scary btw. I hope there's not the equivalent for Android. anyone can git the android repository and look at the source I'm sorry?

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-20 Thread Ivan .
the Police can slurp it up with there new toy http://www.thenewspaper.com/news/34/3458.asp On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:34 AM, Marcio B. Jr. marcio.barb...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 4:41 PM, Michael Holstein michael.holst...@csuohio.edu wrote: Pretty scary btw. I hope

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-20 Thread Zach C.
That only seems to apply to Android 3.x, which is not even the most prevalent Android version in the wild. In fact, I think it can only be found on tablets at present, and presumably Google will release the source when they have 3.x stuff workable in mobile phones as well. On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-20 Thread Ivan .
welcome to Ameristan I guess On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Zach C. fxc...@gmail.com wrote: That only seems to apply to Android 3.x, which is not even the most prevalent Android version in the wild. In fact, I think it can only be found on tablets at present, and presumably Google will

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-20 Thread Jeffrey Walton
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:57 PM, Ivan . ivan...@gmail.com wrote: welcome to Ameristan I guess United States of Corporate America On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 10:45 AM, Zach C. fxc...@gmail.com wrote: That only seems to apply to Android 3.x, which is not even the most prevalent Android version

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-20 Thread Zach C.
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Marcio B. Jr. marcio.barb...@gmail.comwrote: On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Zach C. fxc...@gmail.com wrote: That only seems to apply to Android 3.x, only seems to apply is a sloppy euphemism. Correct sentence is: IT DOES APPLY. I guess context is for

Re: [Full-disclosure] iPhone Geolocation storage

2011-04-20 Thread Marcio B. Jr.
On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 10:27 PM, Zach C. fxc...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 6:04 PM, Marcio B. Jr. marcio.barb...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 9:45 PM, Zach C. fxc...@gmail.com wrote: That only seems to apply to Android 3.x, only seems to apply is a sloppy