Re: [Full-disclosure] Binary Planting Goes Any File Type

2011-07-12 Thread Aleksandr Yampolskiy
: Re: [Full-disclosure] Binary Planting Goes Any File Type It's a nice attempt, but no. The social engineering required to pull that off exceeds what's required to get somebody to download and execute setup.exe, and we don't call that RCE either. Hundreds of false bugs are blinding you to probably

Re: [Full-disclosure] Binary Planting Goes Any File Type

2011-07-10 Thread Thierry Zoller
10 year old bug classes are indeed fun to read, though the fun might be directed at some one as opposed to something. Even given it a cool name doesn't make that one a new weakness. -- http://blog.zoller.lu Thierry Zoller ___ Full-Disclosure - We

Re: [Full-disclosure] Binary Planting Goes Any File Type

2011-07-10 Thread Mitja Kolsek
Hi Mario - Actually you *can* launch an executable that way, if you add a couple more clicks afterwards, or you right click on the file and choose a non default menu option. It's no more ridiculous than any other social engineering that requires people to hit a hotkey they probably never

Re: [Full-disclosure] Binary Planting Goes Any File Type

2011-07-10 Thread Mitja Kolsek
What a list. Perhaps we *should* give up :) Mitja On Jul 9, 2011, at 6:59 PM, Tim tim-secur...@sentinelchicken.org wrote: We haven't, but I like your idea. However, if this is possible via applet parameters, I would be very disappointed that it hasn't been found/reported already. Or has

Re: [Full-disclosure] Binary Planting Goes Any File Type

2011-07-09 Thread Mario Vilas
Actually you *can* launch an executable that way, if you add a couple more clicks afterwards, or you right click on the file and choose a non default menu option. It's no more ridiculous than any other social engineering that requires people to hit a hotkey they probably never heard of and browse

Re: [Full-disclosure] Binary Planting Goes Any File Type

2011-07-09 Thread Mitja Kolsek
Dan - It's a nice attempt, but no. The social engineering required to pull that off exceeds what's required to get somebody to download and execute setup.exe, and we don't call that RCE either. What if the target user couldn't download setup.exe due to firewall rules? Both you and I prefer

Re: [Full-disclosure] Binary Planting Goes Any File Type

2011-07-09 Thread Mitja Kolsek
Tim, We haven't, but I like your idea. However, if this is possible via applet parameters, I would be very disappointed that it hasn't been found/reported already. Or has everyone already given up on Java security? ;) Mitja On Jul 8, 2011, at 9:41 PM, Tim tim-secur...@sentinelchicken.org

Re: [Full-disclosure] Binary Planting Goes Any File Type

2011-07-09 Thread Tim
We haven't, but I like your idea. However, if this is possible via applet parameters, I would be very disappointed that it hasn't been found/reported already. Or has everyone already given up on Java security? ;) http://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvekey.cgi?keyword=jre We haven't given up,

Re: [Full-disclosure] Binary Planting Goes Any File Type

2011-07-08 Thread anonymous-tips
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dan seems to be on the money here, and remember - if the attacker can get you to click on their file or open it, you are fscked anyways. Hence, it is moreso a way to hide your .exe unless I am very mistaken... (again, I hope I am doing the CC/BCC

Re: [Full-disclosure] Binary Planting Goes Any File Type

2011-07-08 Thread Tim
Mitja, A question/suggestion: Have you guys tried influencing where the .hotspotrc files are loaded from by supplying your own System properties (e.g. user.dir)? You can do this in .jnlp files and probably applet tags as well. This has allowed for JRE RCE in the past. If there is a way to

Re: [Full-disclosure] Binary Planting Goes Any File Type

2011-07-08 Thread Dan Kaminsky
It's a nice attempt, but no. The social engineering required to pull that off exceeds what's required to get somebody to download and execute setup.exe, and we don't call that RCE either. Hundreds of false bugs are blinding you to probably a dozen real bugs. Likely more. In security as in

Re: [Full-disclosure] Binary Planting Goes Any File Type

2011-07-08 Thread Mitja Kolsek
Ok, Dan, just for you: Launch Internet Explorer 9 on Windows 7 (probably other IE/Win works too), go to File-Open (or press Ctrl+O), browse to Test.html and open it. No double-clicking and you couldn't launch an executable this way. Better? Cheers, Mitja On Jul 8, 2011, at 9:10 PM, Dan