Re: Worldwatch optimism??

1999-02-26 Thread John McLaughlin
On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, Steve Kurtz wrote: This sound nice, but no mention is made of the NET ADDITION of over 7 million humans per MONTH to earth's population. Attitides and awareness must include the responsibilities and effects of procreation if the below perceptions are to become

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

1999-02-26 Thread Christoph Reuss
Eva Durant wrote: Since the Scandinavian nations (except Norway) and the Netherlands are now in the EU, democracy is 'working' less and less in them. All important decisions are increasingly "shifted" to Brussels and [thus] the international big biz. ("The United States of Europe" is

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

1999-02-26 Thread Durant
However, luckily, people are not herd animals and just like you, they can periodically see through the machinations of the ruling class and ignite revolutions. One of these ends up being the one where they actually keep the power to themselves once they wrestled it away from the rulers. They

Re: Democracy sociocybernetics

1999-02-26 Thread Ray E. Harrell
Me too. I used to breed dogs. I had Collies first then Shelties, Miniature Schnauzers and Bichon Frises. Many times the behavior of an animal can be traced to an owner and the environment he created but this is not always the case. Especially with the smaller inbred species there have

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

1999-02-26 Thread Eva Durant
You're right as far as decisions are made in Europe, but don't underestimate the unions that started to be international, too. Not quite what you expect from those often mentioned bleedin' herd animals! Eva Since the Scandinavian nations (except Norway) and the Netherlands are now in the

Re: Democracy sociocybernetics

1999-02-26 Thread Steve Kurtz
Victor Milne wrote: My point is that if a simple model of dominance does not apply very well to equine behaviour, it's certainly a mistake to extend it to human behaviour. Who ever said anything about "simple" or "model"? hierarchies and ranges of human ( other) behavior have always

Re: Worldwatch optimism??

1999-02-26 Thread Karen Kempster
I agree whole-heartedly. Right on! Karen .. www.overpopulation.org On Fri, 26 Feb 1999, Steve Kurtz wrote: This sound nice, but no mention is made of the NET ADDITION of over 7 million humans per MONTH to earth's population. Attitides and awareness must include the responsibilities

Re: Democracy sociocybernetics

1999-02-26 Thread Durant
Steve Kurtz: You really need a course in elementary logic. Try to diagram the causative links you are claiming. What does any of the above have to do with accepting that we ain't all clones, and that our social institutions can't make us as equal as you would like. Would you kindly look up

Re: Worldwatch optimism??

1999-02-26 Thread Ed Weick
I agree that it sounds nice, but there is very little evidence of it. I doubt that many of the provisions of the major accords and declarations (Montreal, Rio, Kyoto) either have, or are going, to be met. There is a lot of lip service, a lot of speech making, but when it comes to the crunch a

Re: shorter hours essay

1999-02-26 Thread Tom Walker
Eva Durant wrote, So, you are saying that pensionfunds and some sort of mass-shareholder scheems would take us sort of smoothly out of capitalism? But they, too rely on profits and growing profits, and to stock market gambling, thus tendecy to crash... Sorry to have lead you away from shorter

Re: Democracy sociocybernetics

1999-02-26 Thread Steve Kurtz
Durant wrote: Capitalism cannot function without growth, if the rate of profit decreases - and it does anyway - capitalism is in crisis. What's wrong with having a distribution that allows everyone to live freely and in dignity, rather than under an economic bridle. As traditionally