Re: Some thoughts on one of the threads

Thomas; First, leisure is overated. Second, freedom without significance and discipline is slavery. Third, jobs are new but work is from the beginning of time and Fourth, poverty and hunger are overated as a stimulus for creativity or anything else except rage and murder. I've seen them al

Fw: Low Income Jobs

Back to the future? Ed Weick >"The United States is the richest country on the planet yet is has the >greatest income disparity . . . . Sixty percent of all U.S. jobs created >since 1979 pay less than $7,000 a year." > --Fian Fact Sheet, "Welfare by Corporations is Corporate Welfare" > >I

"Greening the tax man"

Simplistic, has problems with growth.., but for editors of a paper in a North Amer. national capital, I'm impressed. "Greening the tax man" Editorial in "The Ottawa Citizen" Friday, February 19th, 1999. If there's

Re: Some thoughts on one of the threads

Brian McAndrews wrote: > As I've mentioned before on this list, all of Ivan Illich's books (eg. > Deschooling Society, Medical Nemesis, Shadow Work, Tools for Conviviality, > ..) > would enlighten our discussions. Pertinent to this thread I'd suggest > Illich's 'The Right to Useful Unemployment a

Re: competition/contradiction

>What exists now with huge TNC dominance of global mkts isn't increasing >competition; it's decreasing it. Takeovers, mergers, secret price fixing, and >cases like sterile gentech seeds, are IMO classically monopolistic >(anti-competitive). The smaller, local/regional businesses usually can't co

Re: Some thoughts on one of the threads

>> Moravec argues that the concept of work was unknown before agriculture and >> the industrial revolution and that we'll get rid of it permanently within a >> few decades, when smart machines free us not only from household chores, but >> also from exhausting tasks such as writing computer softw

Re: Some thoughts on one of the threads

As I've mentioned before on this list, all of Ivan Illich's books (eg. Deschooling Society, Medical Nemesis, Shadow Work, Tools for Conviviality, ..) would enlighten our discussions. Pertinent to this thread I'd suggest Illich's 'The Right to Useful Unemployment and its Professional Enemies'. ***

Replies to the Macro and Micro aspects of the Global Model

To: Frequent posters, lurkers, and innocents on several mail lists Hi Folks, Like the flapping of a butterfly's wings (as in CHAOS, Making A New Science, 1987, by James Gleik), every post to list futurework probably affects and influences each following post such that there is a slow but certa

FW Monthly Reminder

*FUTUREWORK LISTS MONTHLY REMINDER* FUTUREWORK: Redesigning Work, Income Distribution, Education FUTUREWORK is an international e-mail forum for discussion of how to deal with the new realities created by economic globalization and technological change. Basic cha

Re: Some thoughts on one of the threads

Good point. One of my favorite thought experiments is to take the assumption that technology makes it possible for most people to have what only the rich could afford a few (years, product cycles, generations) ago. I was struck by this when I visited FDR's home in Hyde Park New York and saw all

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

"P.A. Gantt" wrote: > Speaking of democracy... it is an opiate only if > we Netizens stand by and let the ubiquitous "they" > take the First Amendment away from us by pricing > us out of the Net. I will send an easy form > and ways to address this pressing issue > in my next send. > > ==

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

Speaking of democracy... it is an opiate only if we Netizens stand by and let the ubiquitous "they" take the First Amendment away from us by pricing us out of the Net. I will send an easy form and ways to address this pressing issue in my next send. ===

Re: competition/contradiction

Thomas Lunde wrote: > I enter this fray with some trepitation, but I have a point to make. Have no fear, I don't bite. :-) (Not even those who make wrong points, har har) > One of > the myth's of capitalism is stated by Chris above. The implication is that > there would be no or limited innov

Re: Mysteries of the Calendar

REH forwarded: > Questioning the calendar >By Stephen Jay Gould ... > MYSTERIES OF THE CALENDAR > Why do we base calendars on cycles at all? Why do we recognize a > thousand-year interval with no tie to any natural cycle? Being "a distinguished professor of zoology", Stephen Jay Gould should

Re: competition/contradiction

Thomas Lunde wrote: > > Chris wrote: > > The point is that competition gives an incentive to build better products > >than the competitors. > Thomas: > One of > the myth's of capitalism is stated by Chris above. The implication is that > there would be no or limited innovation without the go

Some thoughts on one of the threads

Thomas: After plowing through 80 E Mails, I don't have the energy to go back and look for comments, but on reading a book review on ROBOT by Hans Moravic posted on the Net from Wired, I was struck by this sentence: Quote: Moravec argues that the concept of work was unknown before agriculture an

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

> > Eva, I give up. I'm sorry if I was bad mannered. But you do seem to argue > from an impenetrable ideology. Let me explain my point of view, perhaps > equally impenetrable. Some years ago, I arrived at the conclusion that > idealism and ideology are the worst things that have ever happened t

Re: [GKD] Training Y2K Specialists

Dear Henry: If you have been following the answers, including your own, there does not seem to be any pattern or truth to emerge out of my question. "Where is the demand for trained people, given the urgency of the problem and the funds projected to be spent?" Rather than the answers providing

Re: competition/contradiction

Chris wrote: The point is that competition gives an incentive to build better products >than the competitors. If there's only one company that builds cars, they >have no incentive to improve the quality of their cars, because everyone >who buys a car has no choice but to buy _their_ car. Thomas

Re: Democracy is the opiate of the masses.

A little fun from one of my favorite writers on science, life and attitudes. REH Questioning the calendar A skeptic confronts the millennium By Stephen Jay Gould Feb. 26 — We have a false impression, buttressed by some famously exaggerated testimony, that the universe runs with the regu

Re: Democracy & sociocybernetics

Given the recent introduction into futurework discussions of the concepts of chaordics, heterarchy, complexity, hierarchy, the shorter work-week, genetic engineering, animal and human evolution, the recent book Robot by Hans Moravec may be of interest to li