Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-03-06 Thread Harry Pollard
Ray, I agree with most of what you say. However, Catholic schools in California have a deserved reputation for producing good results. Side by side public and Catholic schools here show a better result from the Catholic School than from the public. Also, the Catholic bureaucracy has one third

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-03-05 Thread Judi Kessler
Can you guys "sidebar" this debate? Thx! "A man who works with his hands is a laborer; a man who works with his hands and his brain is a craftsman; but a man who works with his hands and his brain and his heart is an artist" Louis Nizer (1902-1994) ~~

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-03-05 Thread Ray E. Harrell
Wrong Harry, don't you know that a woozy feeling generated by an MD's prescription isn't being "stoned" but is a "side effect"? How come you can see through that statement but are so rigorous in your defense of doctrine over data? Just thought I'd ask.I understand that you believe the only

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-03-05 Thread Ray E. Harrell
Since I already answered your current post in one you supposedly commented on (see below)  I  won't say more about that.  However, I would suggest that those in love with the private school system go teach in it for awhile.  I have, as has my sister.  She finally joined the hierarchical Catholic

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-03-05 Thread Harry Pollard
Ray, You are quite right, Ray. Government run American education is a mess. It should be part of a private competitive system. Then things would improve. Harry Ray wrote: >Good point. I believe that Mike Hollinshead was the first to point >this out

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-03-05 Thread Harry Pollard
Victor, The Russians are criminals. They must have slipped in with all the good people Ray talked about. So, the Russians are good and bad - heck, they must be human. The patenting of genes is an an outcome of the patent system. The problem can be solved by ending this system, but that's too

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-03-05 Thread Harry Pollard
Bill, Thank you for not resisting: "another simplistic explanation of a complex problem." You didn't much like my "find out why the peasants are inefficient producers." and proceeded to explain to me how efficient they were. It seems to me that if they are so efficient, they shouldn't need th

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-03-05 Thread Harry Pollard
Ray E. Harrell wrote: >My apologies to the list for not being able to punch the >spellcheck button on the last two posts. It's the Neurontin. >Makes me woozy but fun. Ray, I've already said you write well. You write even better when you are stoned! But, get off it as soon as you can. Harry

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-02-22 Thread Harry Pollard
Ray, I suppose your mother is to blame for teaching you to type. You are off and running with a kind of stream of consciousness torrent running from your typewriter ribbon. It makes great reading - I love it - but it's difficult to grab hold of to answer. You dodge around covering many points

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-02-22 Thread Harry Pollard
Brad, Paying down the Debt - which is what they should do - isn't a great political ploy for the folks in Peoria. "Saving Social Security and Medicare" is good news to the electorate. So, I don't expect them to do what in this time of a relatively good economy can actually be done. On the oth

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-01-28 Thread Victor Milne
Thanks, Ray, for your very interesting and detailed information, both on lead poisoning and on Russian immigrants. You did fail to mention one important group among the Russians. Shall we call them the entrepreneurial group? I mean the ones whose presence caused the Toronto police to set up a "Rus

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-01-28 Thread Ray E. Harrell
Good point. I believe that Mike Hollinshead was the first to point this out to me. I think that it will take a correlation of all of the external factors with requisite comparisons before serious conclusions can be drawn. Of course if you define the parameters you can prove almost anything by v

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-01-28 Thread William Bradford Ward
HARRY: Every year a bunch of US cardiac specialists went to the Soviet Union and for two weeks, they would work solidly in a Moscow hospital doing, I suppose, triage as they took patients from the multitude to operate and save lives. I remember one comment from a US doctor. He couldn't believe

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-01-27 Thread Ed Goertzen
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Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-01-26 Thread Ray E. Harrell
My apologies to the list for not being able to punch the spellcheck button on the last two posts. It's the Neurontin. Makes me woozy but fun. Ray

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-01-26 Thread Ray E. Harrell
I know this is yours Victor but:  Also Sally where is my post where I answered point counterpoint Harry's questions?    Meanwhile--- Harry Pollard wrote: Victor wrote: >I am by no means a communist or socialist, but this looks like >propaganda-sriven tunnel vision to me. Comments follow. I ra

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-01-26 Thread William B Ward
I can't resist another simplistic explanation of a complex problem. Re the comment: First, find out why the peasants are inefficient producers. Second, change the economic structure so that people can do things for themselves - instead of passing much of their pro

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-01-26 Thread Harry Pollard
Victor wrote: >I am by no means a communist or socialist, but this looks like >propaganda-sriven tunnel vision to me. Comments follow. I rarely find a genuine communist or socialist. Lots of waffling liberals, but hardly any genuinely philosophic communists, or socialists. It's a shame. Meanti

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-01-25 Thread Victor Milne
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: January 25, 2000 12:45 PM Subject: Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work... [snip] > It was the job of the State to support the Bolshoi, the Kirov, the two > Moscow companies (three if you include the Kremli

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-01-25 Thread Harry Pollard
Ray, How nice to cross swords again. And how nice to chat on FutureWork again. And you are still prepared, like Stephen Leacock's economist, to jump on your horse and ride off in all directions. All without answering the point that: "Socialism and Communism and their spin-offs have proven the

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-01-24 Thread Ray E. Harrell
  Harry Pollard wrote: One major warning! Socialism and Communism and their spin-offs have proven themselves to be hopeless at increasing production. The international conferences to "solve the problems" are loaded who want to "provide proper services".   Hello Harry, Long time no read but you ar

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-01-24 Thread Steve Kurtz
Harry, So we should believe you, an economist?, and choose a Georgist philosophy (which was formulated when global pop was around the 2B that many thousands of scientists think is close to optimal) rather than believe the scientific consensus shown below. Harry: > If there isn't enough land, how

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-01-24 Thread Harry Pollard
Steve, You worry too much. You said: STEVE: "is that there is adequate fertile soil, sufficient moderate rainfall (irrigation ultimately ruins soil), sufficient sustainable energy for warmth & cooking, and climate conditions conducive to production of a healthy diet. A small % of the planet f

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-01-24 Thread Steve Kurtz
Harry, Major assumption here: > The not very secret solution to the problem is to change this potty > thinking that we must find ways to feed the multitude. The way to attack > the problem of inadequate "proper services and health care" is to make it > possible for people to provide them thems

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-01-24 Thread Harry Pollard
Steve, Your quote suggests why the problem will never be solved (which will prove the prophet of doom and gloom is right). His web page is below. Look at the mindset. "The more people living in a country, the harder it is to provide proper services and health care to all." While these people

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-01-23 Thread Steve Kurtz
I suggest that this topic is a wee bit more complex than Bill Ward implies. There's extensive research, but a good short essay is available: http://dieoff.org/page56.htm and FYI there is a "South-South Initiative" which involves LDCs helping each other in pop. stabil. at their own request.

Re: FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-01-21 Thread William B Ward
The following comments are simply the words of the entitled. People have kids since they are the best life insurance policy there is for many people in the world. A guy by the name of Mamdani did a study in India of government, Rockefeller and Ford foundation family practices and found that the

FW: Breeding, was: Re: FW: The structure of future work...

2000-01-20 Thread pete
"Brad McCormick, Ed.D." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >Good question. I've often thought that a lot of >"working class" persons could have had a better life >style had they not had children. [...] >In our grotesquely overpopulated world, I think it is >obscene for even rich persons to have more