Re: Some advices about the new static website

[Thomas Adam]

On 19 April 2016 at 14:57, Thomas Funk  wrote:
> One idea came to my mind after clicking Support->FVWM Forums ...
> Is it possible to show the forums inside the window? ^^

No, thanks.  You'd have to use some sort of iframe to do that.  I
think what would be easier is to make the menu link a redirect to
fvwmforums.org, and remove the contents from the support page on
fvwm.org, since going to the forums speaks for itself.

-- Thomas Adam

Re: Some advices about the new static website

[Thomas Funk]

Hi Jaimos,

I've visited the website again and I only can say - WOW! Great work!
The Header 'inside' the window looks pretty cool :-)
Also your other changes (colors, formatings, ...)

One idea came to my mind after clicking Support->FVWM Forums ...
Is it possible to show the forums inside the window? ^^

Best,
Thomas

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about the the universe."   --   Albert Einstein

Re: Some advices about the new static website

[Thomas Funk]

On 04/09/2016 01:31 AM, Dan Espen wrote:

We don't have stable and unstable anymore so references to
stable and unstable should be removed.


Yes you're right and I know this but since the update to static these
html docs with linked keywords are available from unstable only [1].
Therefore I said 'unstable'. Okay, wasn't the right word but in quotes.

-- Thomas --

[1] http://fvwm.org/doc/unstable/index.html
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Re: Some advices about the new static website

[Dan Espen]

Thomas Funk  writes:

> On 04/08/2016 11:08 PM, Thomas Adam wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 09:44:48PM +0200, Thomas Funk wrote:
>>> What about the perlib pages and the ... uhm ... 'unstable' documentation
>>> pages (http://fvwm.org/doc/unstable/index.html)? Will they appear again
>>> in the future?
>>
>> perllib maybe (althought woefully out of date, and it's on my TODO list to
>> look at).
>
> I could help you if you like as I did much inside Fvwm-Nightshade with
> perllib.
>
>>  As for unstable man pages, no.  There's no such thing any more, and
>> hasn't been for a long time now.
>
> 'unstable' was only used as example. As I remember the same pages exists
> on 'stable', too. But it would be a shame to lost those pages. Also Dan
> did much work on the linking on the FVWM page.

We don't have stable and unstable anymore so references to
stable and unstable should be removed.


-- 
Dan Espen

Re: Some advices about the new static website

[Thomas Funk]

On 04/09/2016 12:53 AM, Jaimos Skriletz wrote:

​I believe I know which ones you were talking about.​
​Was this the alphabetical ​list of terms that linked to their location
inside the man pages. It was a nice set of links as it made looking
for some things easier.


Yes and the links inside fvwm manpage(s) e.g. SloppyFocus 12x or
WindowShadeSteps (5x) ...


​Right now the only links are at the bottom of each manpage (with a
link from the top) or just searching the man page for key words. (I
guess for the time I could take the links at the bottom of each
manpage put them nicely located at ​http://fvwm.org/documentation/manpages/)
as this is a copy paste, but I don't think these are the links you
were talking about).


Nope. But back links are very comfortable on the right place ;)


It may be nice to get something like that back up, but with the
conversion of the manpages to markdown the current scripts will be
outdated, so after that conversion is done, I will go checkout how
to get such a set of links setup. Provided they only linked to headings
that will be generated by markdown this should be fairly straight
forward to script.


That would be great :)

-- Thomas --

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Re: Some advices about the new static website

[Jaimos Skriletz]

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 4:40 PM, Thomas Funk  wrote:

> I'm not clear what you're referring to with "linking" either.
>>
>
> I meant the links in
> http://fvwm.org/doc/unstable/fvwm/fvwm.man.html
>
> And again the html docs under http://fvwm.org/doc/unstable are/were the
> same as under http://fvwm.org/doc/stable since ages.
>
>
​I believe I know which ones you were talking about.​

​Was this the alphabetical ​list of terms that linked to their location
inside the man pages. It was a nice set of links as it made looking for
some things easier.

​Right now the only links are at the bottom of each manpage (with a link
from the top) or just searching the man page for key words. (I guess for
the time I could take the links at the bottom of each manpage put them
nicely located at ​http://fvwm.org/documentation/manpages/) as this is a
copy paste, but I don't think these are the links you were talking about).

It may be nice to get something like that back up, but with the conversion
of the manpages to markdown the current scripts will be outdated, so after
that conversion is done, I will go checkout how to get such a set of links
setup. Provided they only linked to headings that will be generated by
markdown this should be fairly straight forward to script.

jaimos

Re: Some advices about the new static website

[Thomas Adam]

On Sat, Apr 09, 2016 at 12:40:54AM +0200, Thomas Funk wrote:
> I meant the links in
> http://fvwm.org/doc/unstable/fvwm/fvwm.man.html
> 
> And again the html docs under http://fvwm.org/doc/unstable are/were the
> same as under http://fvwm.org/doc/stable since ages.

Yes, since I disabled snapshot builds ages ago.

Again, there'll only ever be one set of man pages.

-- Thomas Adam

Re: Some advices about the new static website

[Thomas Funk]

On 04/08/2016 11:41 PM, Thomas Adam wrote:

Maybe, but again, there'll only ever be one set of man pages to reflect when
releases happen.  Since I've put in place a means of generating them from
markdown (and have yet to receive offers on help with that), I'll see what
happens when I have time to look at this.


I would but currently too busy.


I'm not clear what you're referring to with "linking" either.


I meant the links in
http://fvwm.org/doc/unstable/fvwm/fvwm.man.html

And again the html docs under http://fvwm.org/doc/unstable are/were the
same as under http://fvwm.org/doc/stable since ages.


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Re: Some advices about the new static website

[Thomas Adam]

On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 11:33:05PM +0200, Thomas Funk wrote:
> I could help you if you like as I did much inside Fvwm-Nightshade with
> perllib.

I'll let you know when I've put this together.

> > As for unstable man pages, no.  There's no such thing any more, and
> >hasn't been for a long time now.
> 
> 'unstable' was only used as example. As I remember the same pages exists
> on 'stable', too. But it would be a shame to lost those pages. Also Dan
> did much work on the linking on the FVWM page.

Maybe, but again, there'll only ever be one set of man pages to reflect when
releases happen.  Since I've put in place a means of generating them from
markdown (and have yet to receive offers on help with that), I'll see what
happens when I have time to look at this.

I'm not clear what you're referring to with "linking" either. But no
information has been lost that's important.

-- Thomas Adam

Fwd: Re: Some advices about the new static website

[Thomas Funk]

On 04/08/2016 10:47 PM, Jaimos Skriletz wrote:

On Fri, Apr 8, 2016 at 1:44 PM, Thomas Funk >wrote:
​The "logo" is now the menu entry, so instead of just saying "FVWM" I
put the logo in its place. The logo except for looks works just as
any other entry in the menu. So what you see is expected.​


Hmmm ... it isn't clearly enough that a menu is behind the logo. In
general the logo is the way back to the home page.


It's a pitty that you've removed the upper frame/part/block with the
heading. Or is it disappear and should normally available? That would
explain the logo on the 'FVWM' menu point o_O


​The new design was to instead of just have the header wrapped in a
window frame is to have the whole site be wrapped in a window frame.
So I took away the top window and wrapped every page in a full window
frame. The title is now in the titlebar of the window frame.

I could add another header above it, but I though it was mostly used
space on the page that isn't needed. All the header did was repeat
the title of the page another place in bigger letters. But I could
easily add it back and then have two windows, a title window and a
main content window.


Why adding the top page in the window, too? Above of the menu part.
But a little bit smaller (~90%) in the height. Also the logo.

The title is very nice. I would use 'The Offical FVWM Home Page' the
whole time if the top page added again ;)



Another point which looks a little bit weird are the framed words in e.g.
manpages or the Mailing Lists page. Probably these text pieces were
Monospace before conversion? Is it possible to remove the frame?


​The sites are generated by markdown which generates in-line code and
code blocks. I have been thinking about the formatting of these, but
I like them being seperate from noral text. The code blocks should be
used for things people would type into a config file, terminal, etc.

I do think some styles on these code blocks need to be updated (and
maybe some work/policy about what should be put in code blocks and
what shouldn't be). The FAQ has been updated and makes better use of
them, but I have only applied that to the FAQ page. In my TODO list
is to try to make use of code blocks more uniform.


I don't mean the code blocks. For example Mailing Lists page 'subscribe'
or '*-request'.


I'm open for suggestions to make it look nicer (I like the borders
myself). Other common examples are using a slightly different color
background or some other method to highlight code blocks vs descriptions.


I like the colors. This is FVWM everybody knows ^^



And in the end one typo:
- Downloads: 'The latest sable release' ;)


​Thanks, I like easy fixes.


You're welcome ^^



I'll add them, My only concern is ensure they are useful so we don't
put to much noise in trying to direct users to useful sties to help
them with fvwm.


Thanks :)

Re: Some advices about the new static website

[Thomas Funk]

On 04/08/2016 11:08 PM, Thomas Adam wrote:

On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 09:44:48PM +0200, Thomas Funk wrote:

What about the perlib pages and the ... uhm ... 'unstable' documentation
pages (http://fvwm.org/doc/unstable/index.html)? Will they appear again
in the future?


perllib maybe (althought woefully out of date, and it's on my TODO list to
look at).


I could help you if you like as I did much inside Fvwm-Nightshade with
perllib.


 As for unstable man pages, no.  There's no such thing any more, and
hasn't been for a long time now.


'unstable' was only used as example. As I remember the same pages exists
on 'stable', too. But it would be a shame to lost those pages. Also Dan
did much work on the linking on the FVWM page.


Btw I have some website links for our 'Links' page:

History
---
In the beginning was ...
http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fvwm/user_enumerate.html


Really?  That shouldn't resolve at all.  You mean:

http://www.xteddy.org/fvwm/user_enumerate.html


Yes, indeed :)


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Re: Some advices about the new static website

[Thomas Adam]

On Fri, Apr 08, 2016 at 09:44:48PM +0200, Thomas Funk wrote:
> What about the perlib pages and the ... uhm ... 'unstable' documentation
> pages (http://fvwm.org/doc/unstable/index.html)? Will they appear again
> in the future?

perllib maybe (althought woefully out of date, and it's on my TODO list to
look at).  As for unstable man pages, no.  There's no such thing any more, and
hasn't been for a long time now.

> Btw I have some website links for our 'Links' page:
> 
> History
> ---
> In the beginning was ...
> http://edulinux.homeunix.org/fvwm/user_enumerate.html

Really?  That shouldn't resolve at all.  You mean:

http://www.xteddy.org/fvwm/user_enumerate.html

> Other FVWM-related sites
> 
> How Styles are Applied
> http://linuxgazette.net/127/adam.html
> 
> Fvwm and Session Management
> http://linuxgazette.net/100/adam.html
> (perhaps a little bit outdated but anyway interesting)

It'll still work with xsm(1).

-- Thomas Adam