How long until it's ready to roll? I'm looking at implementing ANZ eGate in
the next few weeks, sounds like I'm going to have to do a hack job for now
and roll on the proper code base once it's done.
On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:58 AM, Dmitriy Soroka
dmitriy.sor...@magento.comwrote:
Hi everyone
-in
components that did a fairly good job, and could be extended to support
whatever gateway we need. I looked at ezcomponents, nothing there either...
Regards,
Cameron
that actually ended up coming back to the right controller in
some situations but failing in others. Sorry to have bothered the list over
my own bugs!
On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 5:57 PM, Cameron themsel...@gmail.com wrote:
A bit of further examination on this one hasn't gotten me too much further,
except
A bit of further examination on this one hasn't gotten me too much further,
except that: Zend_Rest_Route is definitely catching the URL correctly, it's
just for some reason it is stripping off the format=json before passing it
on to the Index controller action. Can't seem to work out why, I don't
Hi guys, not really sure whether this is an issue with REST as a protocol
definition or it's a Zend thing...
In my bootstrap I have support for both regular routes and RESTful routes.
It is achieved like this:
protected function _initRestRoute() {
$this-bootstrap('Request');
I frequently pass full model instances through to my views and retrieve
information from them, but I don't write code in the models that is
specifically used for display purposes - as an example, if there's a method
calculateOutstandingBalance(), it's just going to return a float, it's the
exact
Hi guys, I've got a pie in the sky idea, and I'm just wondering if it's even
remotely possible, or if I should give up and try something else.
I've got a bunch of Zend_Dojo_Form forms with a bunch of custom validators
on the Zend side - they work fine, the form errors out when values are
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Jake McGraw jmcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Cameron themsel...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok, I just tried removing everything except for
$data = $authAdapter-getResultRowObject(null, 'password');
$auth-getStorage()-write($data);
all
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 1:28 PM, Jake McGraw jmcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Cameron themsel...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Mar 9, 2010 at 10:49 AM, Jake McGraw jmcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Mar 8, 2010 at 8:51 PM, Cameron themsel...@gmail.com wrote:
Ok
logout action:
Zend_Session::destroy(true);
after I clear my identity. Will that help?
*From:* Bart McLeod [mailto:mcl...@spaceweb.nl mcl...@spaceweb.nl]
*Sent:* Friday, March 05, 2010 4:06 AM
*To:* Cameron
*Cc:* Jake McGraw; Hector Virgen; Zend Framework - General
*Subject:* Re: [fw
Hi guys, I'm really not sure where I'm going with this one, it seems like I
must be doing something completely wrong, but I'm not really sure where to
even start looking.
Here's my logout action:
public function logoutAction() {
Zend_Auth::getInstance()-clearIdentity();
:54 PM, Jake McGraw jmcgr...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 11:39 PM, Hector Virgen djvir...@gmail.com wrote:
Anything in your cookies causing you to stay logged in?
--
Hector
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 7:30 PM, Cameron themsel...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi guys, I'm really
to support
baseUrls?
Regards,
Cameron
Hi everyone, I've got an unusual issue with Zend_Navigation that seems like
it should work correctly, but isn't.
Here's a basic example of the config...
nav
home
labelHome/label
controllerindex/controller
actionindex/action
/home
instead of the default route. So your navigation
should look more like this:
home
labelHome/label
controllerindex/controller
actionindex/action
*routedefault/route*
/home
--
Hector
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Cameron
like like this:
/:controller
It seems like that's the case because normally with only the default
built-in route your navigation should have worked since all of your pages
would have used the default route when requested.
--
Hector
On Sun, Feb 21, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Cameron themsel
be disabled for security reasons.
And getValue() returns null when there is any error at validation or
filtering on that file element. Therefor use always isValid().
Greetings
Thomas Weidner, I18N Team Leader, Zend Framework
http://www.thomasweidner.com
- Original Message - From: Cameron
to receive the file once again?
A received file can not be received once again (not with 1.9.5).
Greetings
Thomas Weidner, I18N Team Leader, Zend Framework
http://www.thomasweidner.com
- Original Message - From: Cameron themsel...@gmail.com
To: Zend Framework - General fw-general
oops - to clarify, if you var_dump on $values, $values['image'] is null, the
rest of the array is fine, and what you would expect.
On Thu, Feb 11, 2010 at 5:19 PM, Cameron themsel...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm trying to get the filename. If you var_dump on $values below, it is
null. I'm only using
is returned.
When you say that isValid() returns not false, then the question is why
receive() returns false. Look at it's error message to see details.
Greetings
Thomas Weidner, I18N Team Leader, Zend Framework
http://www.thomasweidner.com
- Original Message - From: Cameron themsel
The subject says it all - I'm not really sure what I'm doing wrong, but this
is really odd. This is on ZF 1.9.5 on the Beta Zend Server 5.0.3 btw...
I have a basic file field in my form, and it all works perfectly well -
calling getValues() on the form moves the file in to the correct location,
I had the same problem with Chrome... ended up just replacing it with
ckeditor.
On Tue, Jan 5, 2010 at 12:31 AM, Guillaume ORIOL gor...@technema.fr wrote:
Hi,
When I use a Zend_Dojo_Form_Element_Editor in a form, the returned value is
an array with some browsers.
For instance,
Hi guys, not sure if I'm doing something really stupid here, but I can't
seem to work this out - essentially what is happening is that if I am at the
root of my application then the action part of the config doesn't get
added to the URL, but if I work my way down in to any of the controllers,
then
What's the deal with haters hatin' on our old friend the base class? Maybe
you can implement base class functions like getAction using a dispatch level
plugin, but how is that better than a simple abstract class to base your
controllers around? My actual controllers are 80% method free, it's all
isn't the use of named anchors deprecated?
On Fri, Dec 11, 2009 at 7:23 AM, Daniel Latter dan.lat...@gmail.com wrote:
+1
On 10 Dec 2009, at 22:54, takeshin admi...@gmail.com wrote:
Jason Austin wrote:
Hope this helps. I smell a feature request for adding hashes to
routes url
I've done a similar thing by using an Events and Subscribe system, my
controller abstract has a number of event broadcasts throughout, and it's
very simple to build a subscriber that latches on to whatever it needs to in
order to satisfy the business rules. I based mine upon some code I found
This sort of thing would be tremendously useful. I'd absolutely love to see
a drop in component for handling, say, User authentication - handling
signups, forgot your password functionality, the whole check your email and
verify your account stuff, a very basic admin page, all done in the right
Hi guys, this is pretty pie in the sky, but I was wondering if anyone had
seen it done / had a good trick for it.
What I'd like to do is come up with a really clean way of controlling which
users can see which form fields. Example being a role field in the user
form - admins can set the user's
Christoph
Eugene Morgan wrote:
I've had the same problem since ZF 1.8 -- has anyone else gotten it to
work?
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 10:46 PM, Cameron themsel...@gmail.com wrote:
How can I test this one further? It *used* to work just fine, but since I
reworked
On Fri, Sep 25, 2009 at 2:28 AM, Kyle Spraggs the...@spiffyjr.me wrote:
Matthew Weier O'Phinney-3 wrote:
-- Cameron themsel...@gmail.com wrote
(on Wednesday, 23 September 2009, 09:42 AM +0800):
Dojo grids. I've actually just moved a lot of my functionality over to
Dojo
JsonRestStore
On Thu, Sep 24, 2009 at 8:38 AM, Cameron themsel...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney matt...@zend.com
wrote:
-- Cameron themsel...@gmail.com wrote
(on Wednesday, 23 September 2009, 09:42 AM +0800):
Dojo grids. I've actually just moved a lot of my
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:03 PM, Alan Wagstaff awagst...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
2009/9/23 aoohralex aoohra...@gmail.com
My critical subject about Zend Framework was deleted. Somebody from Zend
deleted my post. My criticism PHP authors and Zend Framework in compare to
other frameworks wasn't
On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 6:49 PM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney
matt...@zend.comwrote:
-- Cameron themsel...@gmail.com wrote
(on Wednesday, 23 September 2009, 09:42 AM +0800):
Dojo grids. I've actually just moved a lot of my functionality over to
Dojo
JsonRestStore so I can do in-grid editing
You seem to be overlooking the entire concept behind Zend. Many frameworks
are designed for people who want their hands held through the application
building process, Zend is designed for professional developers who know what
they are doing and all they want are a few reliable and standardized
Dojo grids. I've actually just moved a lot of my functionality over to Dojo
JsonRestStore so I can do in-grid editing, it's not completed yet, but so
far it is coming together really smoothly.
On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 9:10 PM, Kyle Spraggs the...@spiffyjr.me wrote:
I was curious what everyone is
How can I test this one further? It *used* to work just fine, but since I
reworked to Zend_Application formats, it seems to have stopped, and the
regular methods of turning it on don't seem to result in any output.
I've tried turning it on both in application.ini and in the Bootstrap. In
Hi everyone, I just wanted to see if anyone else had had a good long think
about this sort of thing before I decided one way or the other.
Basically I have been playing with the context switch action helper, and it
has opened a whole new world of possibilities in terms of application
structure,
On Wed, Sep 9, 2009 at 11:36 PM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney
matt...@zend.comwrote:
-- Cameron themsel...@gmail.com wrote
(on Wednesday, 09 September 2009, 05:35 PM +0800):
Hi, this is very likely to be a dumb question, but I'd really like to
have my
controllers respond to normal requests
Hi, this is very likely to be a dumb question, but I'd really like to have
my controllers respond to normal requests (as in
http://domain.com/product/display/id/1) and also the full range of RESTful
requests (GET http://domain.com/product/1 and so on). Turning on
Zend_Rest_Route across all my
Hi guys, just a quick one.
I want to be able to add a regular textarea to a Zend_Dojo form - the Dojo
editor is a tiny bit crappy, and i'd really rather use something else. The
problem is that the text area that Zend_Dojo outputs isn't an actual
textarea, and thus 3rd party editors tend to have
I've been looking for something like this too. It's all well and fine to
install all the Zend products with the intention of integrating them in to a
homogenous whole, but the reality is that there's very little in the way of
documentation looking at the problem from a broader development
Also, this sounds like a great idea for ZF 2.0, people are lining up a huge
list of sweeping, BC-breaking changes for the 2.0 release, why not add this
to the pile?
On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 9:48 AM, johncongdon j...@johncongdon.com wrote:
Are you able to make your solution public? I am looking
On Tue, Jul 28, 2009 at 7:35 PM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney
matt...@zend.comwrote:
-- Joseph Crawford i...@josephcrawford.com wrote
(on Tuesday, 28 July 2009, 07:25 AM -0400):
I agree I would also love to be able to download these Webinars and go
through them on my own time..
Anyone know
Yeah this is what I wanted to say, an actual webinar is pretty much useless
to those of us with jobs and lives and (especially) don't live in a timezone
amenable to spending 1 1/2 hours watching a video on programming stuff at
3am. When will these webinars be available for download?
On Tue, Jul
why can't it be all three?
seriously though, i'm doing mostly 1, then 3 and 2.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2009 at 1:35 PM, joedevon joede...@gmail.com wrote:
The following question on Stack Overflow prompted this post:
Hi guys,
I have a number of view scripts that are cut and paste across almost all of
my view directories, basically templates that hold code to load a structural
html / tabs / etc. These files are almost all identical, so there is a very
obvious case for removing these duplications, along with
On Wed, Jun 10, 2009 at 3:23 PM, staar2 est.ri...@gmail.com wrote:
Themselves wrote:
Hi guys,
I have a number of view scripts that are cut and paste across almost all
of
my view directories, basically templates that hold code to load a
structural
html / tabs / etc. These files
1. Is this a question?
2. Zend is a loosely coupled framework, meaning most of the components can
be used independently of each other with very few dependencies. You don't
have to use the MVC components if you don't want to. Personally I really
like this approach, I can just pick and choose the
This is caused by Javascript trying to manipulate the page content before
the page has completely loaded, other browsers handle it fine, IE doesn't.
It's a well known problem. If you google the error message you'll find heaps
of info, but the basic gist of it is that you need to delay the
The $form-populate() method accepts an array of key-value pairs that it
will populate the form with before passing on to your view.
On Wed, Apr 29, 2009 at 4:05 PM, iceangel89 comet2...@gmail.com wrote:
i think this is common. i want to create a form that optionally maps to a
table row. eg. i
Hi guys, I've come up with a situation in my application where serializing a
select object to store it in a session variable would be remarkably useful,
but it isn't working. It's just throwing the usual can't serialize a PDO
object error. This was apparently fixed in
Hi guys, I'm just having trouble working out the syntax on this one, was
wondering if anyone could give me a quick hand - or even show me a better
way of doing it :P
What I'm trying to do is get a spinner to pop up when a FilteringSelect is
retrieving its JSON from the server. As best as I can
You should be populating the values of the form in your model before passing
it as a completed whole through to the view, then if you have to do any
autocomplete stuff, do it in javascript.
On Mon, Apr 6, 2009 at 4:43 PM, Marko Korhonen
marko.korho...@datafisher.com wrote:
Hi,
I have made
Hi guys, this is probably more of a general OO question than specific to ZF,
but I thought I'd throw it out there to see if there's some really good
solutions out there.
I've written a pretty extensive application in ZF, it's all MVC driven, uses
Dojo and AJAX, it's pretty cool, and generic and
On Wed, Mar 25, 2009 at 5:06 PM, Simon Corless si...@sico.co.uk wrote:
fab2008 wrote:
Hi all,
I want to ask a simple question about validating user input especially
the
input from the url taken with $this-_getParam(). An example:
Currently I write my models assuming that the
ReportMetricTwo(new Report()));
$report could then be processed by a generic reporting class/model:
$reportModel-generate($report);
downside = complexity, decorators can be confusing to people ala
Zend_Form :) Though once you get them they are easy
2009/3/25 Cameron themsel...@gmail.com:
Hi guys
On Wed, Feb 4, 2009 at 11:54 PM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney
matt...@zend.comwrote:
-- HenryG henry.god...@tanist.co.uk wrote
(on Wednesday, 04 February 2009, 04:05 AM -0800):
I'm just starting out with Zend and Dojo and I have a quick question
which I
hope you can answer.
I have built a
yeah i've been wondering about this one too, given the standard thing to
do with table names is to put underscores in them, and controller names
don't seem to work with them, and controllers often map well to database
tables...
On Tue, Feb 3, 2009 at 7:45 AM, Terre Porter
Hi guys,
I have an application that is growing piece by piece, table by table, and as
it grows, as do the number of view scripts the application needs. In order
to ease maintenance on these, I've managed to make the vast majority of the
views indentical across controllers, by just passing the
dependent upon what you are trying to do.
Something that's static I would render out using partials. However, if
you're doing a bit of output processing (nothing static), I would
recommend using an Action Helper. :-)
--
Chris Weldon
On Sun, Jan 18, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Cameron themsel
.
BTW, is what you're doing not suitable for Zend_Layout ?
--
Chris Weldon
On Mon, Jan 19, 2009 at 12:36 AM, Cameron themsel...@gmail.com wrote:
wouldn't view partials still require the view script to exist? I was
trying
to avoid having the actual files there too. Infact, the perfect solution
I'm using Project Locker - http://www.projectlocker.com - it's a hosted SVN
+ Trac system, supports unlimited projects, works really well, it's not
terribly pretty, but it's basically everything you need all in one package.
Now if only they could integrate some sort of billing system so I can have
in.
Thanks again for the help.
On Dec 14, 2008, at 9:01 PM, Cameron wrote:
You need to pass the element an ISO date. Try something like this:
$date = new Zend_Date();
$date-set($row['date'], Zend_Date::ISO_8601);
$retarr['auction_date'] = $date-getIso();
Interestingly enough, the Time
are trying to do with this check, but whatever it is, it's not
working on my server :)
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 4:53 PM, Thomas Weidner thomas.weid...@gmx.atwrote:
Cameron,
to go further with debugging you can see that your exception is called in
the file Abstract on line 948.
Now simply output
reverted to 1.7.0, still works fine.
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Thomas Weidner thomas.weid...@gmx.atwrote:
Hy Cameron,
Why should the first catch, catch anything when there is a failure ?
According to manual, receive() returns a false on failure, not an
exception.
Also you are calling
$form-addAttribs(array('name' = 'formname')); ?
On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 9:24 AM, maxarbos maxar...@yahoo.com wrote:
Have you gotten any answers on this?
I am having the same issue and cannot get the name attribute to be set.
I am using 1.5 of the framework.
notmessenger wrote:
I know
here's the full $e.
http://pastebin.com/m5d442e15
the line in my code, line 83, that is definitely where it is calling
$adapter-getFileName().
On Tue, Dec 16, 2008 at 7:01 PM, Thomas Weidner thomas.weid...@gmx.atwrote:
Cameron,
when you have unexpected exceptions somewhere in your code it's
if ($form-isValid($formData)) {
//the form is valid, finish moving the file about
$adapter = new Zend_File_Transfer_Adapter_Http();
if ($adapter-isValid() === false) {
print_r($adapter-getMessages());
try calling it statically, Zend_Json::encode($data);
On Sun, Dec 14, 2008 at 11:39 PM, Ace Paul sa...@acewebdesign.com.auwrote:
thanks for your help on this.
I'm trying to get this going, but not having any luck at all, especially
seeing as I haven't used json with zend yet.
I'm getting
You need to pass the element an ISO date. Try something like this:
$date = new Zend_Date();
$date-set($row['date'], Zend_Date::ISO_8601);
$retarr['auction_date'] = $date-getIso();
Interestingly enough, the Time picker accepts the full ISO date too, if
you're using them. Unfortunately you need
Hi guys,
I'm just doing a bit of work with the Dojo date and time pickers, and it's
all going wonderfully, and I decided to use the Zend_Date::ISO_8601 method
for formatting the output from MySQL, which works perfectly well, all except
for the fact it's appending a timezone, which then goes and
Dynamically adding form elements is painful, because of form validation
issues. What I usually do is add all the possible form elements to the form
up front, and then use JS / Controller logic to dictate what elements I
should or shouldn't display. I guess you could store the form object in
I have spent WAY too much time getting this exact scenario working using
Zend Dojo forms and an MVC environment, and I plan on building an extensive
article explaining it all soon, but for now, here's the really quick and
dirty version. I haven't gotten my version perfect yet, I'm still not happy
PROTECTED] wrote:
I would have a look inside the view url helper and maybe create an
action helper that does the same?
2008/12/2 Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
Hi guys,
The subject line sums it all up. I do some URL generation in the
controller
/ model (form submission URLs and so
I'm pretty terrible at the whole MVC thing but I've done ok with a separate
controller for each table (except for obvious exclusions like intersection
tables or tiny tables for normalization purposes), and then extra
controllers for stuff in your app, like users, and action helpers /
bootstrap
Hi guys,
The subject line sums it all up. I do some URL generation in the controller
/ model (form submission URLs and so on), and I'd love to be able to use the
same url View Helper that has proven so wonderful in my Views. What's the
trick? I'm sure it's something simple that I'm not smart
it's a known bug, try this:
http://www.framework.zend.com/issues/browse/ZF-4977;jsessionid=C628D5128C025969ADFBC9D052740C19?page=com.atlassian.jira.ext.fisheye:fisheye-issuepanel
On Tue, Nov 25, 2008 at 10:14 PM, drj201 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi all,
I have created a form class that
I would also recommend a basic guide to OO programming, as much of Zend
takes advantage of PHP5's OO features, and unless you spend the time to
formally learn OO it can be somewhat confusing. There are a number of
fantastic tutorials out there on the Googles, but I personally read the
first 2
At the risk of replying to your email with a one word answer, what you need
is JSON.
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 6:37 AM, cali_dotocm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
hi,
i'm trying to figure out how to pass arrays back and forth from php to
javascript and back in the zend framework. i need to do this
that's what JSON is for. It's a serialized javascript array, so you simply
serialize the array in javascript, pass it through to your PHP app, and
there are JSON tools in PHP to instantly decode / encode the arrays.
http://www.php.net/json for more info!
On Fri, Nov 21, 2008 at 5:16 AM,
:
:::
Cameron schrieb:
that's what JSON is for. It's a serialized javascript array, so you
simply serialize the array in javascript, pass it through to your PHP
app, and there are JSON tools in PHP to instantly decode / encode the
arrays. http://www.php.net/json for more info!
On Fri
, 2008 at 7:30 PM, Matthew Weier O'Phinney
[EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote:
-- Cameron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote
(on Wednesday, 12 November 2008, 06:51 PM +0900):
So you don't have to recreate it, the Autocomplete Helper is as follows.
It's a
cut and paste of the work some other wonderful gentleman did
' =
$key);
}
$final = array(
'identifier' = 'key',
'items' = $items,
);
return $this-encodeJson($final, $keepLayouts);
}
}
On Tue, Nov 11, 2008 at 5:50 PM, Bart McLeod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Cameron,
I tried to set up a testsite
McLeod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Your problem looks interesting, and I would like to help you, but I am not
sure if I fully understand what you are trying to achieve.
Could you provide a full and exact functional description of what you are
trying to accomplish?
Bart
Cameron schreef:
You
You are going to have to do this with Javascript. I'm trying to build the
ultimate example of how you do dependent dropdowns using Zend + Dojo, and
I've got it so far to the point where it works when adding a new record, but
when you try to edit data, the $form-populate method fails to build a
Hi guys,
I've got some form elements built using Dojo data stores, basically like
this:
$this-addElement('FilteringSelect', 'client_id', array(
'label'= 'Client:',
'store' = 'clientStore',
'autoComplete' = 'false',
I built something like this as a paginator for when you're on your item
view. What I did was build a simple class that implements the SPL Iterator
and Countable classes, just like the internal Zend_Paginator, but just uses
an array as its internal guts. Then I simply grabbed all the id fields from
Thanks for that, I've managed to get it working now with the rewritten
autoCompleteDojo at
http://www.makina-corpus.org/2008/10/26/autocomplete-ajax-search-with-dojo-and-zend-framework/,
and I've got dropdown dependencies working with a bit of javascript, but now
I have one last little problem!
Hi again,
I'm trying to put together simple item paginators (ala the
http://framework.zend.com/manual/en/zend.paginator.usage.html example), and
I'm just wondering what the best practice for something like this is when
used with the Dojo grid. The Dojo grid takes care of the search pagination,
so
Hi guys,
I'm trying to build some autocomplete dropdowns using Zend + Dojo, but I
can't seem to work out how to get the select to submit the id and display
the name. As per the documentation, a ComboBox submits the value of the
label, so I've tried passing through JSON like this:
This is a very common issue with Eclipse, it dies in the arse with large
projects. The building workspace thing has cost me a handful of days in
lost productivity. I don't know any solutions, other than try to keep the
projects on your local machine (trying to work on a large project via ftp
mount
Phew. Big title.
I'm currently building a large scale application in Zend + Dojo, and with it
being so new, I'm assuming I'm one of the first to attempt such undertaking.
I have built it using Matthew Weier O'Phinney's Pastebox
.
Can we please finally come to a conclusion on this subject? Test for
yourself or use these as a reference but PLEASE stop this FUD
surrounding autoload!
Cameron
were those that were going to be needed for it to
run the script.
Cameron
On 1/10/07, Richard Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
That doesn't even make common sense, autoload will never be faster
then straight require if the exact same number of files are called
each time, there is less overhead
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