Re: Re: [fw-general] How to contact the Zend Framework team about OOP bad practices/suggestions?

2009-02-16 Thread Thomas Weidner
as Weidner, I18N Team Leader, Zend Framework http://www.thomasweidner.com - Original Message - From: "A.J. Brown" To: "william0275" Cc: Sent: Friday, February 13, 2009 12:06 AM Subject: Re: Re: [fw-general] How to contact the Zend Framework team about OOP bad pra

Re: Re: [fw-general] How to contact the Zend Framework team about OOP bad practices/suggestions?

2009-02-12 Thread A.J. Brown
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 1:17 PM, william0275 wrote: > A.J. I'm a bit scared of the ticket/patches process etc. Never done that. > Maybe I will! > Don't be scared, it's easy! :) First, create an account in JIRA (the issue tracker) : Then,

Re: Re: [fw-general] How to contact the Zend Framework team about OOP bad practices/suggestions?

2009-02-12 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
-- Giorgio Sironi wrote (on Thursday, 12 February 2009, 10:35 PM +0100): > 2009/2/12 A.J. Brown > > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:37 PM, william0275 wrote: > > > I mean, I sincerely hope > Zend Framework achieves recognition with big companies and big > projects, a

Re: Re: [fw-general] How to contact the Zend Framework team about OOP bad practices/suggestions?

2009-02-12 Thread Giorgio Sironi
2009/2/12 A.J. Brown > > On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:37 PM, william0275 wrote: > >> >> I mean, I sincerely hope >> Zend Framework achieves recognition with big companies and big projects, >> and >> the way to start is by being very serious with your OOP design. You've got >> Java and .NET out the

Re: Re: [fw-general] How to contact the Zend Framework team about OOP bad practices/suggestions?

2009-02-12 Thread william0275
Allright Matthew, didn't know you were such a small teach. You guys are real commandos :-) A.J. I'm a bit scared of the ticket/patches process etc. Never done that. Maybe I will! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/How-to-contact-the-Zend-Framework-team-about-OOP-bad-practic

Re: Re: [fw-general] How to contact the Zend Framework team about OOP bad practices/suggestions?

2009-02-12 Thread A.J. Brown
On Thu, Feb 12, 2009 at 12:37 PM, william0275 wrote: > > Well, I'll tell you what my real problem is. I know ZF is open source, and > I > love ZF, don't get me wrong... but it's very frustrating to find some part > of ZF completely OOP with good practices, and some other parts that are > complete

Re: Re: [fw-general] How to contact the Zend Framework team about OOP bad practices/suggestions?

2009-02-12 Thread Matthew Weier O'Phinney
-- william0275 wrote (on Thursday, 12 February 2009, 11:37 AM -0800): > > Well, I'll tell you what my real problem is. I know ZF is open source, and I > love ZF, don't get me wrong... but it's very frustrating to find some part > of ZF completely OOP with good practices, and some other parts that

Re: Re: [fw-general] How to contact the Zend Framework team about OOP bad practices/suggestions?

2009-02-12 Thread william0275
Well, I'll tell you what my real problem is. I know ZF is open source, and I love ZF, don't get me wrong... but it's very frustrating to find some part of ZF completely OOP with good practices, and some other parts that are complete hacks. I don't understand this. I guess I'm not used to the open

Re: [fw-general] How to contact the Zend Framework team about OOP bad practices/suggestions?

2009-02-11 Thread Benjamin Eberlei
hello, you should create an account at http://framework.zend.com/issues and file issues against Zend_Db, put their alert level up based on what you think is necessary. Also make sure not to put all the things into one issue, but split them up so that they are unique items to be worked at. greeti

[fw-general] How to contact the Zend Framework team about OOP bad practices/suggestions?

2009-02-11 Thread william0275
The more I look at the source code of some Zend Framework elements, the more I see bad OOP practices and worse... For example, Zend_Db_Statement and Zend_Db_Statement_Pdo are a frankenstein of OOP. There are methods accessed by the abstract, parent class that *are not* defined in the parent and