PCI question

2011-11-16 Thread Alex Barnes
Why are the PCI ports on the PowerMac G4s so long? On PCs they are about 3 1/2 long but on a PowerMac G4 they are about 5 -- You received this message because you are a member of G-Group, a group for those using G3, G4, and G5 desktop Macs - with a particular focus on Power Macs. The list FAQ

Re: PCI question

2011-11-16 Thread Valter Prahlad
Il giorno 16-11-2011 18:22, Alex Barnes ha scritto: Why are the PCI ports on the PowerMac G4s so long? On PCs they are about 3 1/2 long but on a PowerMac G4 they are about 5 I'm no hardware expert, but I think the short ones are 32-bit, and longer ones are 64-bit. Actually there are at least

Re: PCI question

2011-11-16 Thread Brielle Bruns
On 11/16/11 10:22 AM, Alex Barnes wrote: Why are the PCI ports on the PowerMac G4s so long? On PCs they are about 3 1/2 long but on a PowerMac G4 they are about 5 PCI-X - its fully backwards compatible with regular PCI, but can operate at 64bit and 66mhz or higher depending on chipset

Re: PCI question

2011-11-16 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Nov 16, 2011, at 10:22 AM, Alex Barnes wrote: Why are the PCI ports on the PowerMac G4s so long? On PCs they are about 3 1/2 long but on a PowerMac G4 they are about 5 There are multiple standards for the PCI spec, and some long cards. The slots in the Mac fit both, the PC ones don't.

Re: PCI question

2011-11-16 Thread Bruce Johnson
On Nov 16, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Brielle Bruns wrote: On 11/16/11 10:22 AM, Alex Barnes wrote: Why are the PCI ports on the PowerMac G4s so long? On PCs they are about 3 1/2 long but on a PowerMac G4 they are about 5 PCI-X - its fully backwards compatible with regular PCI, but can operate

Re: PCI question

2011-11-16 Thread Brielle Bruns
On 11/16/11 10:32 AM, Bruce Johnson wrote: On Nov 16, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Brielle Bruns wrote: On 11/16/11 10:22 AM, Alex Barnes wrote: Why are the PCI ports on the PowerMac G4s so long? On PCs they are about 3 1/2 long but on a PowerMac G4 they are about 5 PCI-X - its fully backwards

Re: PCI question

2011-11-16 Thread Valter Prahlad
Il giorno 16-11-2011 18:41, Brielle Bruns ha scritto: The G4 has PCI-X slots - I have a MDD sitting here, next to me, with a PCI-X fibre channel card running in 64bit, albeit its the older PCI-X standard so it only runs 33mhz. Just confirmed this with Mactracker - there's 4 PCI-X

Re: PCI question

2011-11-16 Thread Brielle Bruns
On 11/16/11 10:45 AM, Valter Prahlad wrote: Il giorno 16-11-2011 18:41, Brielle Bruns ha scritto: The G4 has PCI-X slots - I have a MDD sitting here, next to me, with a PCI-X fibre channel card running in 64bit, albeit its the older PCI-X standard so it only runs 33mhz. Just confirmed this

Re: PCI question

2011-11-16 Thread Eric Hall
According to this from Apple, no G4 has PCI-X: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht3082 From: Valter Prahlad valter.prah...@fastwebnet.it To: g3-5-list@googlegroups.com Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 11:45 AM Subject: Re: PCI question Il giorno 16-11-2011 18:41

Re: PCI question

2011-11-16 Thread JohnV
I ran into this recently trying to get a ppc G5 MOTU audio card. even with a long detailed conversation on teh phone with a MOTu tech advisor, we STILL got teh wrong card shipped to me. PCI-X - its fully backwards compatible with regular PCI, but can operate at 64bit and 66mhz or higher

Re: PCI question

2011-11-16 Thread Brielle Bruns
On 11/16/11 10:41 AM, Brielle Bruns wrote: No. The long slots in a G4 are NOT PCI-X. The original PCI slot spec allows for a long version that requires the extra slot length. Uh, I think your confusing full length cards and regular length cards. Both of which could be PCI or PCI-X. Card

Re: PCI question

2011-11-16 Thread peterhaas
Why are the PCI ports on the PowerMac G4s so long? On PCs they are about 3 1/2 long but on a PowerMac G4 they are about 5 The early, low integration PCI cards needed all the space which could be provided by the original IBM specification for the PC. Still, even on a late Mac PPC, long cards

Re: PCI question

2011-11-16 Thread Justin Porterfield
These are 64bit PCI slots, not PCI-X, there is a huge difference. There was an early G5 PowerMac that had PCI-X slots but no G4 ever did. Picture of a G4 MDD showing the PCI-X slots on the left hand side: