Re: Leopard on my iMac

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 11, 2011, at 5:59 PM, Dan Ziegler  wrote:

>> A long time ago I had a similar thing happen when a USB device went flaky.
> That's possible - but the iMac is all stock HW - Apple kybd. and
> mouse, and no upgrades or other USB devices. Perhaps some other
> (internal) HW? What do you suggest I check?

The USB device in my case was the hub in an Apple Display.  The system log was 
full of USB errors.
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Re: Leopard on my iMac

[Dan Ziegler]

Hello all,
Thanks alot for all your insight. This just in: DashboardClient
reported an error (send to apple, etc.) twice today. Don't know if
that's related. BTW I should be able to look at the console and
Activity monitor on Wed., so I'll keep you posted.
Bruce,
> A long time ago I had a similar thing happen when a USB device went flaky.
That's possible - but the iMac is all stock HW - Apple kybd. and
mouse, and no upgrades or other USB devices. Perhaps some other
(internal) HW? What do you suggest I check?
Clark,
> I finally fixed it by running Disk Repair which fixed a bad directory or 
> something such.
That is also possible, lots of small files on the disc, I'll boot the
Leopard DVD ASAP and try that.
Thanks alot,
Dan Ziegler

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Re: Leopard on my iMac

[Clark Martin]

On Apr 11, 2011, at 12:13 PM, Bruce Johnson wrote:

> 
> On Apr 11, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Dan Ziegler wrote:
> 
>> Well the RAM amount is possible, I know it needs more... but it has
>> worked great for 1.5 years until about 2 weeks ago this started. (And
>> will Dad want to spend $70, hmm...) This is really really really slow
>> - I'm talking slower than my old Sawtooth, 10.4.11 with 384 MB! Maybe
>> the install is old with age? I'd hate to have to do a clean install.
> 
> No that won't be it. The OS doesn't 'age'. $70 would be a well-spent upgrade.
> 
> Look in the System log at the time it starts slowing down, see if you have 
> errors being reported. (use the Console app in Utilities)
> 
> A long time ago I had a similar thing happen when a USB device went flaky.

That stirs a memory.  I was having a big slow down on my MBP.  I finally fixed 
it by running Disk Repair which fixed a bad directory or something such.  I 
don't know why but something would hit that bad directory and sit there 
twiddling it's thumbs retrying.

Clark Martin
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Re: Leopard on my iMac

[Doug McNutt]

At 12:13 -0700 4/11/11, Bruce Johnson wrote:
>On Apr 11, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Dan Ziegler wrote:
>
>> Well the RAM amount is possible, I know it needs more... but it has
>> worked great for 1.5 years until about 2 weeks ago this started. (And
>> will Dad want to spend $70, hmm...) This is really really really slow
>> - I'm talking slower than my old Sawtooth, 10.4.11 with 384 MB! Maybe
>> the install is old with age? I'd hate to have to do a clean install.
>
>No that won't be it. The OS doesn't 'age'. $70 would be a well-spent upgrade.
>
>Look in the System log at the time it starts slowing down, see if you have 
>errors being reported. (use the Console app in Utilities)
>
>A long time ago I had a similar thing happen when a USB device went flaky.

Utilities/Activity\ Monitor  might be useful.  You can leave it running and 
watch when a slowdown occurs.

Be sure your periodic updates are getting run regularly. That's the 3AM thing 
that you can execute using sudo from a Terminal.app session any time.

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Re: Leopard on my iMac

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 11, 2011, at 11:47 AM, Dan Ziegler wrote:

> Well the RAM amount is possible, I know it needs more... but it has
> worked great for 1.5 years until about 2 weeks ago this started. (And
> will Dad want to spend $70, hmm...) This is really really really slow
> - I'm talking slower than my old Sawtooth, 10.4.11 with 384 MB! Maybe
> the install is old with age? I'd hate to have to do a clean install.

No that won't be it. The OS doesn't 'age'. $70 would be a well-spent upgrade.

Look in the System log at the time it starts slowing down, see if you have 
errors being reported. (use the Console app in Utilities)

A long time ago I had a similar thing happen when a USB device went flaky.

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Re: Leopard on my iMac

[Dan Ziegler]

Well the RAM amount is possible, I know it needs more... but it has
worked great for 1.5 years until about 2 weeks ago this started. (And
will Dad want to spend $70, hmm...) This is really really really slow
- I'm talking slower than my old Sawtooth, 10.4.11 with 384 MB! Maybe
the install is old with age? I'd hate to have to do a clean install.
Plus 10.6 doesn't work with some of our software, so...
Other than those, anything else that could be bogging me down?
Thanks,
Dan

On Apr 11, 1:34 pm, Bruce Johnson 
wrote:
> On Apr 11, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Dan Ziegler wrote:
>
> > April 2008 iMac Penryn
> > 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo
> > 1 GB 800 MHz DDR2 <<
> Right there is part of your problem, most likely. 1GB RAM is far too low. I'd 
> kick that to 4 at least.
>
> 
>
> Also if it is right at 45 minute intervals, something's happening every 45 
> minutes to cause this problem. On my old RAM-starved Core Duo iMac, Time 
> Machine would do this, particularly if I was brave enough to be running a 
> Windows VM.
>
> I'll wager that kicking up the RAM to a reasonable amount will help.
>
> Also, upgrade that system posthaste to 10.6, that makes Intel systems run a 
> lot better.
>
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>
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Re: Using HD > 128GB in G4 Macs!

[Mac User #330250]

MISTAKE:
> I don't know, but mine has Boot-ROM 4.2.1f2 and is a Quicksilver from 2001
> without the LBA-48 property.

My Boot-ROM version is 4.2.5f1. Yet another one.

Mac OS X 10.4/10.5 reports (German language)
Boot-ROM-Version:   4.2.5f1

Mac OS 9.2.2 reports
ROM revision:   $77D.45F6
Boot ROM version:   $0004.25f1

The serial number starts with CK, so it's a European Mac.


Sorry for the mistake. Shame on me!
Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: Using HD > 128GB in G4 Macs!

[Mac User #330250]

--  Original message  --
Subject: Re: Using HD > 128GB in G4 Macs!
Date:Monday, 11. April 2011
From:Kris Tilford 
To:  g3-5-list@googlegroups.com
> On Apr 6, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:
> > So, what would happen if one would flash the ROM of a QS with the
> > Open Firmware
> > ROM version of a QS2002?
> 
> This is interesting. Apple apparently never released any firmware
> updates for any models of the QS, but I see versions 4.2.1f2, 4.3.3f2

I don't know, but mine has Boot-ROM 4.2.1f2 and is a Quicksilver from 2001 
without the LBA-48 property.
Is the 4.3.3f2 the Quicksilver 2002 then?

http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1126?viewlocale=en_US
First, “Power Mac G4 (QuickSilver) computers do not require this update.” And 
then: “Press and hold in the programmer's button.”

So such an update should also work on a Quicksilver, and as far as I've read 
there are 3rd party firmware updates necessary for certain processor upgrades 
(such as the Giga Designs Dual-1.8 GHz): http://forums.macnn.com/65/mac-pro-
and-power-mac/271749/dual-1-8-g4-upgrade-problems/

Here is a list of available updates for all PowerPC-Macs from Apple:
http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1395

Question remains if there is a way to read the firmware on a QS2002 and store 
it into a file, so it could be used as the firmware update on a QS from 2001, 
perferably using original Apple update software (patched to use the firmware 
from the QS2002).


Cheers,
Andreas  aka  Mac User #330250

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Re: Leopard on my iMac

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 11, 2011, at 11:20 AM, Dan Ziegler wrote:

> April 2008 iMac Penryn
> 2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo
> 1 GB 800 MHz DDR2 <

Also if it is right at 45 minute intervals, something's happening every 45 
minutes to cause this problem. On my old RAM-starved Core Duo iMac, Time 
Machine would do this, particularly if I was brave enough to be running a 
Windows VM.

I'll wager that kicking up the RAM to a reasonable amount will help.

Also, upgrade that system posthaste to 10.6, that makes Intel systems run a lot 
better.

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Leopard on my iMac

[Dan Ziegler]

Hi there,
I have been having some intermittent problems lately with my family's
iMac. About half the time you are using it, all the applications
(Safari, the dock, the Finder, Firefox, Textedit, DVD Player) slow
down to an abysmal crawl. Then about 45 minutes later it will function
perfectly fine. This goes on at about 45 minute periods one way or
another. This is a really bad slowdown - I was playing a DVD the other
night, and it was skipping many seconds of video and audio
intermittently. I don't have any idea what could be going on-there's
not really anything out of the ordinary on this computer.
The specs of the machine if it helps:
April 2008 iMac Penryn
2.4 GHz Core 2 Duo
1 GB 800 MHz DDR2
250 GB Disk (about 1/2 full)
Leopard 10.5.8 w/all latest updates
Thanks alot,
Dan Ziegler

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Re: Using HD > 128GB in G4 Macs!

[Kris Tilford]

On Apr 6, 2011, at 1:15 PM, Mac User #330250 wrote:

So, what would happen if one would flash the ROM of a QS with the  
Open Firmware

ROM version of a QS2002?


This is interesting. Apple apparently never released any firmware  
updates for any models of the QS, but I see versions 4.2.1f2, 4.3.3f2


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Re: Using HD > 128GB in G4 Macs!

[t...@io.com]

On Apr 8, 10:27 pm, Clark Martin  wrote:

> PCI-ATA cards have been and are pricey $60-100 and more for cards with 
> greater functionality.  

The Acard 6280M is available on Ebay for $30 with free shipping.  The
Acard 6880M is $40. (No knowledge of, nor relationship with the
sellers.)Both of those provide bootable drives in OS 7.6.x up
through at least 10.4.x.  I'm not sure about the 10.5 support.

The nice thing about the 6880M (not the 6280M) is that a RAID created
on that card is available both when one boots in Classic and when one
is booted from X.   If you use OSX's RAID facilities the RAID volumes
are only available in X.

>It's cheaper to go SATA.  

In the long run, this is definitely true.   PATA drives are end-of-
life and the capacity never went past 750GB.   With 2 TB SATA drives
regularly hitting $80 and below, it's hard to beat SATA.

> Mac Sales
> PCI-IDE card, $80
> PCI-SATA card, $74
> IDE 160Gb, $58
> SATA 160Gb, $48

Note that Newegg has recertified Seagate and Western Digital 80 GB
PATA drives for about $30 after shipping.   That knocks the price way
down and won't need a card to access the whole capacity.  Of course,
if you need more capacity, it's no good, but if one simply needs a
working PATA drive replacement at the lowest price possible, it is
probably a good way to go.

Jeff Walther

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